Gryphonne Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 How is CAS handled in the Normandy game? Is it still completely random or do we have access to slightly more dedicated air control this time around? Is the Fw-190F-8 modelled with a different radio set (FuG-16ZS; Fw-190A-8 carries the FuG-16ZY) in order to improve communication between ground units and fighter bombers? Is this reflected in-game somehow? EDIT: I just noticed the Sd.Kfz. 251/3 in the TO&E listing, is this the Funkpanzerwagen variant carrying dedicated radios for air support coordination then? Regards, Gryph 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsmith Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 This thread might give you a start http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=94324 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphonne Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 This thread might give you a start http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=94324 Not a whole lot info there, sadly. Therefore, bump. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Ummm the FW-190 f8 should NOT be modelled, since the airframe production didn't start till April 1944, and there wasn't any stationed in France with JG 26. I can post the combat reports showing all their FW-190 losses were the A variant if you would like. Rune 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Did anti-aircraft fire make it into the initial release? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphonne Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 Ummm the FW-190 f8 should NOT be modelled, since the airframe production didn't start till April 1944, and there wasn't any stationed in France with JG 26. I can post the combat reports showing all their FW-190 losses were the A variant if you would like. Rune The FW-190Fs were never distributed amongst Jagdgeschwaders as far as I know. However, III./Slachtgeschwader 4 was operational in Normandy and they appear to have received some FW-190F-8s. I don't know to what extent these have seen combat however; if they have, it must have been in extremely limited numbers. EDIT: Apparently according to this website: http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/schlacht/biiisg4.html, III./SG4 receives 49 FW-190F-8s in June 1944 and are stationed around Laval, approx 100km South from Caen But if the FW-190F-8 IS modelled, and it appears to be (judging from the TO&E), then my original question still remains, is the FuG-16ZS modelled too? The TO&E listing for CMBN only shows the A-8 and F-8 though, no FW-190A-5 or Bf-109 Jabo mods. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 No earlier F-model Fw 190s (F-2 or F-3) operational with any Geschwader in Normandy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphonne Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 No earlier F-model Fw 190s (F-2 or F-3) operational with any Geschwader in Normandy? Most of them appear to have been shipped to the Eastern Front and they were produced in very limited numbers anyway. It would appear that the jabo field modifications A-5/U3 (F-2) and A-5/U17 (F-3) were as, or more, common than the dedicated F-2/F-3. The only Fs present in Normandy therefore seem to be the F-8s operated by III./SG4. Sadly, I have no information on the number of A-5s operating with the jabo field kits in Normandy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 According to multiple sources... After rest and refitting it flew U-boat escort, and then flew missions in the early days of the invasion of Normandy. It had FW 190 A-6s and A-7/R6s on strength, equipped with a single bomb rack under the fuselage. SO may have been deployed, but again very few if any missions with the f8. Rune 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphonne Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 According to multiple sources... After rest and refitting it flew U-boat escort, and then flew missions in the early days of the invasion of Normandy. It had FW 190 A-6s and A-7/R6s on strength, equipped with a single bomb rack under the fuselage. SO may have been deployed, but again very few if any missions with the f8. Rune Well, the number of A-7/R6 seems to be very low (less than ten) and these are lost due to enemy action. The A-6 on the other hand are transferred to other units. Quote from another source: 23 June 1944 According to the War Diary III./SG 4 exchanged its Fw 190 A-6s for F-8 models on this date. At this period Clermont-Ferrand seems to have dealt with the repair and delivery of Fw 190s to SG 103 as well. and: At 11.35 hours, 16 Fw 190s (my guess F-8s)took off on SG 4's last mission in the French interior, one aircraft losing its SC 500 bomb in the process. Thirty-five minutes later they dive-bombed two small villages east and south east of Valence: Léoncel and Saou. The 15 bombs dropped were reported to be well on target, with the former village damaged and the latter destroyed. They saw no traffic on the roads during their mission and all returned safely to Clermont at 13.00 hours. Since Avord is not mentioned in the reports and because the 9. Staffel had no operational pilots a day earlier, it seems probable that this mission was flown only by 7. and 8./SG 4. In Saou the destruction included the vaulted nave of the 12th century parish church of Saint Mary. At 16.00 hrs. Geschwader Bongart gave orders to prepare for III./SG 4's transfer to the Eastern Front. For its part, III./SG 4, asked Luftgau Westfrankreich, to forward all mail for FPN L 40934 to the Luftgau Post Office in Koenigsberg, East Prussia. At 22.30 hrs., Ltn. Klepke at Avord reported to III./SG 4 that the airfield was serviceable. The same officer also filed a strength return for the 9. Staffel of 11 (7) aircraft and 11 pilots (none of them operational). source: http://www.ghostbombers.com/sf/sg4_6.html So, the squadron is transferred out of France to the East on the 30st of June, and sees extremely limited action if any with their F-8s. In any case, It would make me wonder why we have the F-8 then, whereas I think that jabo Bf-109s and A-5/A-6/A-8s are far more common and therefore more realistic to include. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Gryphonne, Amazingly, several sources have them moving out on the 20th of June, but that didn't see right to me. You'd think they would have all this ready knowing that 66 years later, we would need to know these things. Rune 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphonne Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 Gryphonne, Amazingly, several sources have them moving out on the 20th of June, but that didn't see right to me. You'd think they would have all this ready knowing that 66 years later, we would need to know these things. Rune That is rather interesting, you have any references to these? would like to check them out I'm always amazed as well about the number of contradicting sources around when researching certain topics.. However, the real question us grogs should then ask is, why is the F-8 in when there are many other FW-190 jabo modifications around that probably really saw active frontline/ground support service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I believe you may be over-thinking this aspect of the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 It doesn't seem to be a discussion about what sorts of aircraft didn't get to fly CAS over Normandy, considering the allies absolute air superiority. 'Something' flew the occassional harrassing night mission over the front. It might as well be call a F8-190F-8 as anything else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Here is one: http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/iiisg4victoryclaims.htm Mid June moved to Central France. Will find the others in a bit. Rune 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Another one, this one more reliable: http://books.google.com/books?id=Ca5_XeGYaSEC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=III./SG+4+June+1944&source=bl&ots=wG4R1IMljp&sig=ec8-RiT0KAWJHSC37bQkGdMBKhY&hl=en&ei=pIwcTbamL9H9ngfPufTUAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=III.%2FSG%204%20June%201944&f=false Rune 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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