Apocal Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 The so-called 9/9/2 mix of combat vehicles, two platoons of Abrams plus the CO's track, two platoons of Bradley's plus the XO's track, and two 120mm mortar carrier M113s. Is this simply not in CMSF or did, somewhere along the line, the TOE of a heavy cav troop change? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Apocal, "Simply not in CMSF" As far as I know, and I could be wrong, only the 3rd ACR uses this sort of organization still (the only copy of FM 17-97 I found was dated 1994, so it could be obsolete). Note that you can recreate it from the HBCT forces in the game now. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Apocal, "Simply not in CMSF" As far as I know, and I could be wrong, only the 3rd ACR uses this sort of organization still (the only copy of FM 17-97 I found was dated 1994, so it could be obsolete). You guys have a Cav troop in there (considering it's labelled "Rare" I assumed it was the 3rd ACR) it just doesn't have tank platoons in it. Note that you can recreate it from the HBCT forces in the game now. Roger that, I wasn't trying to complain, just wondering about this. It seemed like a super easy TO/E addition... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 The Cav troop in there is the one attached to HBCT (Brigade Level). As for "super easy", it might well be. But until now nobody has expressed an interest in it so I've not looked into it Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 The Cav troop in there is the one attached to HBCT (Brigade Level). i R apukal, i r smurt lik rok! Thanks. Can't believe I missed that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmfan Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'd be interested seeing in a heavy ACR troop added to the available U.S. TOE! I've modeled it myself by cherry picking units but of course the resulting troop has C&C issues. motioned seconded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Speaking of TO&Es, would it be impractical to add pre-2008 TO&Es, perhaps in future versions/patches? This occurred to me when I started to create a scenario based on a certain event during the Second Battle of Fallujah, but then I remembered that that at the time (2004) the USMC had not begun fielding the M32 grenade launcher. Figuring that the multiple M32s would give the Marine units enough firepower to effectively unbalance the scenario, I had to shelve that scenario idea for the time being. How about some TO&Es, at least in terms of equipment, more suitable for recreating scenarios from before, say, 2006? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 There are far too many m-32s for even 2008. There are only 200 or so fielded even today. While I appreciate that it helps distinguish the new units, I'd like to see the equipment setting for Marine squads control whether they get m-203s or m-32s. Maybe m203s for current day squad (poor), 1 m-32 per squad for near future (regular) and 3 m-32s per squad for "what if?" fun (excellent)? Use of multishot grenade launchers to grow By Dan Lamothe - Staff writer Posted : Thursday Feb 5, 2009 10:41:57 EST MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. — Prompted by its success in defending against convoy attacks and ambushes, the Corps will vastly expand the availability of a 40mm, six-shot rotational grenade launcher first fielded in Iraq on an experimental basis in 2006. For the first time, the launchers will be fielded “across the board,” said Patrick Cantwell, a former captain who now works as the Corps’ small arms capability integration officer. The weapons will be assigned to headquarters units and distributed upon the request of individual unit commanders, going to everyone from military police to infantry and logistics units. “We moved very quickly ... and got those initial ones out there and have been very happy with it based on the operational usage,” Cantwell said. “We have basically expanded the role of that system, and we’re looking to make it a permanent part of the Marine Corps inventory.” The Corps plans to purchase 2,118 multishot grenade launchers, Cantwell said, about 10 times the number currently fielded. No requests for proposals have been issued yet, and the quantity of launchers to be ordered could change before the RFP hits the streets, based on cost and how long the weapon is expected to last, Cantwell said. Marine Corps Systems Command first purchased about 210 M32 multishot grenade launchers from Tucson, Ariz.-based Milkor USA after commanders in the field sought them through a universal urgent needs statement, said Capt. Geraldine Carey, a SysCom spokeswoman. The cost of the launchers purchased was not available. The project was called for in 2004, after Marine gunners decided at a symposium that the Corps needed an alternative with more punch than the M203 grenade launcher, a single-shot auxiliary weapon to the M16 rifle that gives small units the ability to provide their own indirect fire support. Milkor is working under the assumption that the Corps may eventually expand the fielding of the M32 until there is at least one in every infantry squad, said Richard Solberg Jr., a company spokesman. It plans to offer the Corps not only more M32s, but its new Mark 14, a multishot grenade launcher that performs “identically” in testing. U.S. Special Operations Command began fielding 300 Mark 14 launchers in January, Solberg said. “This next go-around, the Marines are going to have that option,” Solberg said of the Mark 14. “We obviously want to get lighter, faster and quicker for the Marines.” Brazilian, Italian and South African militaries have carried multishot grenade launchers for years, but the M32 offered a new forward grip and scope, which was mounted to the top rail and eliminated the old leaf sights that appeared on the M203. The scope allowed a Marine to follow the grenade to the target and immediately adjust and follow up with additional fire. The Corps must hold an open competition for the weapon’s contract, so the new grenade launcher may not be the same brand, officials stressed. The specifications for the new launcher include: • Semiautomatic fire. • Revolving action, with a 5.5-inch chamber. • The ability to fire rounds at least 150 meters accurately. • Weight of no more than 16 pounds when unloaded. • A 32-inch stock, collapsible to 28 inches. The Milkor M32 weighs 14.2 pounds unloaded and 18.2 pounds with ammunition, company officials said. Its specs meet all of the Corps’ other requirements for the next-generation launcher. The Mark 14 model also meets the specs, but it varies from the M32 because it offers a shorter barrel (8 inches instead of 12), a stronger stock and a grip styled after the M16 rifle, designed to save the services money in replacement parts. Despite its shorter barrel, the Mark 14 weighs the same as the M32 because its receiver, stock and other parts of the weapon were beefed up. The company made the modifications in anticipation of fielding a future “medium velocity” round sought by SOCom, which could travel between 600 and 1,000 meters — 400 meters farther than the M32’s rounds, Solberg said. The Corps also is training Marines to fire a variety of nonlethal ammunition with the M32, according to a March 2008 letter sent to Milkor from an instructor at the Interservice Nonlethal Individual Weapons Instructor Course at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo. The ammunition includes sponge grenades, foam batons, and rubber balls, the letter said. The Corps will not require units to take the multishot launcher on missions, because of its weight and the size of its rounds, and will continue to field the M203, Cantwell said. Instead, the multishot launcher will serve as an “additive” weapon, mainly in convoy, urban or defensive situations. “We didn’t want to give it to everybody and say, ‘You have to take it,’ so what we’ve done is give them the flexibility,” Cantwell said. “Convoys are a big [situation] where ... it performs very well, and just about every Marine unit out there is doing convoys.” http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/02/marine_launchers_020209w/ So it looks like, even in the future, it will be "optional." Marine fire team, Jan. 24, 2009: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanzfeld Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Yeah...looks like we have a little "overkill" with the distribution of the M-32. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 M32s are already covered in more detail in this thread. TO&E is a huge headache to make and test because of the level of detail we go into. There are no plans to expand the TO&E before/after our chosen timeframe. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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