Arisaka99 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I was wondering which Combat Mission game I should consider buying first? I have an interest in the Eastern Front so would Barbarossa to Berlin be my best choice? Is there a huge difference in Graphics and detail between each of them? Thanks, Arisaka99 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Alte Fritz Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 CMAK has one or two extra features which are nice but not deal breaking. Infantry advances in CMBB tend to be more taxing. The graphics quality in CMAK is higher but if you mod CMBB from www.cmmods.com then you can get it up to the same standard. I would go for CMBB, mainly for the armour cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 CMBB, not even close. Gets by far the most play, for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbart Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Yes, go with CMBB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroCat Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I say go for CMBB. Nothing has come to market that even comes close, even after all these years! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 CMAK for sure. There are too many problem areas in CMBB to feel comfortable about and asking which to play on the diehards CMBB forum is not the place for unbiased answers. The command delay for the Soviets early war is pretty bad, and bizarrely it also means the Russian troops shoot crookeder and morale is one step down also The penetration figures for the main Russian gun the 76mm are underrated The StugIII in later versions is overarmoured to the point it is impervious to T34's Bogging occurs very frequently Russian tanks cower from Axis tanks annoyingly often. The attack/defense points are screwy for some fortifications so QB's are screwed. Well they are if you object to buying fortifications and your opponent gets VP's depending on what you buy. A lot of people invested a lot of time in the CMBB system and the break to the improved engine of CMAK was too much of a wrench : ) Not to say there are not interesting bits but if you buy one only ..... So if you want to buy go to the top of the evolutionary tree and get CMAK. Plenty of different theatres to play in and the annoying bugs removed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alter Ego Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 If CMC is something that interests you, I would go for CMAK now for a few month and when (if) CMC will be released it looks like there will be a choice available that includes CMBB in the package. Just an expectational thought 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 The command delay for the Soviets early war is pretty bad, and bizarrely it also means the Russian troops shoot crookeder and morale is one step down also give them additional quality and the problem is gone. All troops act as one level lower, so if you want "real" regulars go for vets. This works in scens, should work for PBEM. After all the Soviets in '41 have the equivalent of Tigers in stock, but at a reasonable price. It pings most tank guns, even from the flanks. Massed T34s in '41 are just as bad as massed StuGs in '43. The penetration figures for the main Russian gun the 76mm are underrated The pen figures for US 76mm is overrated The StugIII in later versions is overarmoured to the point it is impervious to T34's Absolutely. And don't ask about JPzIV/70 in '45. These shrug off 122L48. But assault gun turn rates are bad. Which makes it pretty interesting to counter them. But it might be more for vets. For conscript players CMAK might have an advantage here. Or just ignore certain months in CMBB if you play against cherrypickers. Bogging occurs very frequently Which is worse if you own turretless guns. Tough for StuGs. Russian tanks cower from Axis tanks annoyingly often. Any tank that can't kill its opponent with plain AP and has AP is prone to cower. PzIVf with lots of HC cower from Shermans at 200m - even vs the flank of buttoned tanks. This feature is in CMAK, too. Try '45 and you will see T34M44 not cowering from JPzIV/70 if the latter are id'd as Stug? only. Which is pretty annoying, too - if you already id'd the enemy from gun sounds and deflecting shots. The attack/defense points are screwy for some fortifications so QB's are screwed. Well they are if you object to buying fortifications and your opponent gets VP's depending on what you buy. Can be dealt with in scens. Could be dealt with in AAR screens - but then you gotta calculate. If you don't play for the AAR screen victory points, then it does not matter anyway. A lot of people invested a lot of time in the CMBB system and the break to the improved engine of CMAK was too much of a wrench : ) Not to say there are not interesting bits but if you buy one only ..... So if you want to buy go to the top of the evolutionary tree and get CMAK. Plenty of different theatres to play in and the annoying bugs removed Wait.... (unmodded) CMAK has Africa and Italy, CMBB has Finland down to the Black sea, Berlin to Stalingrad. Even for the Western Allies, the Med was a sideshow. And for the Germans, anything except the east front was a sideshow. If the question is which one to buy if you buy only one, it is CMBB. If the question is which one first, it might be CMAK. You'll buy the other one a few month later anyway. But the bundle is cheaper than two single games. So I suggest the bundle. Gruß Joachim 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KG_Jag Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Go with the one that covers the theater in which you are most interested. I like the CMAK (later) version of the engine better. However, there are many more user made scenarios and mods for CMBB. Either way you can't lose...unless you are running VISTA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Erw Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I got both and i love both too. But I prefer CMBB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Alte Fritz Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Do not forget that you can 'mod' CMAK to a Europe in 1944 version. A couple of things are missing, Cromwells, Comets Pershings and Chaffees but the main items are there. Both are such great games, I would get both as a bundle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Chaffees are in CMAK : ) Evil little buggers too. North Africa for desert warfare which occurs nowhere else. Crete, East Africa, modded for Normandy. No compromises on attack defence scenarios. Reasonable reaction times. Play as US, UK, Poles , French, Italian, Germans, New Zealanders, Canadian, Australian so national pride can be invoked : ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arisaka99 Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 I started an arguement, but didn't get an answer . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 You got an answer, CMBB. You just don't know enough to see that it is true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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