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CMAK for sure. There are too many problem areas in CMBB to feel comfortable about and asking which to play on the diehards CMBB forum is not the place for unbiased answers.

The command delay for the Soviets early war is pretty bad, and bizarrely it also means the Russian troops shoot crookeder and morale is one step down also

The penetration figures for the main Russian gun the 76mm are underrated

The StugIII in later versions is overarmoured to the point it is impervious to T34's

Bogging occurs very frequently

Russian tanks cower from Axis tanks annoyingly often.

The attack/defense points are screwy for some fortifications so QB's are screwed. Well they are if you object to buying fortifications and your opponent gets VP's depending on what you buy.

A lot of people invested a lot of time in the CMBB system and the break to the improved engine of CMAK was too much of a wrench : ) Not to say there are not interesting bits but if you buy one only .....

So if you want to buy go to the top of the evolutionary tree and get CMAK. Plenty of different theatres to play in and the annoying bugs removed

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The command delay for the Soviets early war is pretty bad, and bizarrely it also means the Russian troops shoot crookeder and morale is one step down also

give them additional quality and the problem is gone. All troops act as one level lower, so if you want "real" regulars go for vets. This works in scens, should work for PBEM. After all the Soviets in '41 have the equivalent of Tigers in stock, but at a reasonable price. It pings most tank guns, even from the flanks. Massed T34s in '41 are just as bad as massed StuGs in '43.

The penetration figures for the main Russian gun the 76mm are underrated

The pen figures for US 76mm is overrated ;)

The StugIII in later versions is overarmoured to the point it is impervious to T34's

Absolutely. And don't ask about JPzIV/70 in '45. These shrug off 122L48. But assault gun turn rates are bad. Which makes it pretty interesting to counter them. But it might be more for vets. For conscript players CMAK might have an advantage here.

Or just ignore certain months in CMBB if you play against cherrypickers.

Bogging occurs very frequently

Which is worse if you own turretless guns. Tough for StuGs.

Russian tanks cower from Axis tanks annoyingly often.

Any tank that can't kill its opponent with plain AP and has AP is prone to cower. PzIVf with lots of HC cower from Shermans at 200m - even vs the flank of buttoned tanks. This feature is in CMAK, too.

Try '45 and you will see T34M44 not cowering from JPzIV/70 if the latter are id'd as Stug? only. Which is pretty annoying, too - if you already id'd the enemy from gun sounds and deflecting shots.

The attack/defense points are screwy for some fortifications so QB's are screwed. Well they are if you object to buying fortifications and your opponent gets VP's depending on what you buy.

Can be dealt with in scens. Could be dealt with in AAR screens - but then you gotta calculate. If you don't play for the AAR screen victory points, then it does not matter anyway.

A lot of people invested a lot of time in the CMBB system and the break to the improved engine of CMAK was too much of a wrench : ) Not to say there are not interesting bits but if you buy one only .....

So if you want to buy go to the top of the evolutionary tree and get CMAK. Plenty of different theatres to play in and the annoying bugs removed

Wait.... (unmodded) CMAK has Africa and Italy, CMBB has Finland down to the Black sea, Berlin to Stalingrad. Even for the Western Allies, the Med was a sideshow. And for the Germans, anything except the east front was a sideshow.

If the question is which one to buy if you buy only one, it is CMBB. If the question is which one first, it might be CMAK. You'll buy the other one a few month later anyway. But the bundle is cheaper than two single games. So I suggest the bundle.

Gruß

Joachim

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Chaffees are in CMAK : ) Evil little buggers too.

North Africa for desert warfare which occurs nowhere else. Crete, East Africa, modded for Normandy. No compromises on attack defence scenarios. Reasonable reaction times.

Play as US, UK, Poles , French, Italian, Germans, New Zealanders, Canadian, Australian so national pride can be invoked : )

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