kingjames Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Have you ever managed to lose 3 companies of men? Two companies of Gebirgsjager mountain troops, and a company of Volksgrenadier, heavy smg platoons and all? In heavily wooded terrain, to british regulars and a platoon or two of british paratroopers? Fighting within 14- 25 meters of each other. Well I managed too, with out even getting hit by artillery. Time to go back to the drawing board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I don't know if that is a record, but it's certainly very impressive. Glad I don't work for you! Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Glad I was a long distance from it my self. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugfromthearth Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 good job avoiding the artillery 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 Seriously, can anyone tell me how? I was on sneak, and it never looked like I faced more than a platoon at a time, with at least two of my platoons engaging them. I had superior fire power, I am like completely wiped out. What am I missing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugfromthearth Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 sneaking units don't really fire 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Talker Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 How long was the firefight? What was the disposition of the forces involved? How did you maneuver once the fighting started? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kburns24 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Were your forces winded or tired? They don't fight very well when fatigued. Were they under HQ command? If not, your platoons won't get the command bonuses from the HQ. If your men were sneaking they will stop and fire if fired upon. The Brit paras are some nasty guys to face, their HQs probably had the attack bonus +1 or +2. I can't say for certain what it could be without more detail, but those would be my likely guesses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 I think on sneak is about the only time they will stop and fire, without continuing into deadly fire. We both used veteran troops. I never had a tired soldier, and was always within command of platoon leader. I thought I followed the book. Maybe I massed them two much. We have finished the battle, and I lost 15 men to two heavy arty spotters. The platoon leaders I could find in the masses of bodies on top of one another had +1command, +2 moral, etc. They were really a good bunch of leaders. sniff, sniff. Something I barely remember reading one, about rotating your men in and out of the fight, could that have been it? I will see if there is a way I can post a screenshot. Can't figure out how to get the screen shot on here, but the total of casualties was 395 for me and 360 for him. [ December 02, 2003, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: kingjames ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klapton Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Seems it was really a bloodfest but, why are you complaining? You just lost 10% more men than your opponent. What was the final score? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Sorry if it seems I am complaining. I am trying to figure out the secret to life here. I just am seeing how it is possible. The mountain troops and smg squads at 18m to 25m, according to how I understand it, should way out class some british paras or regulars, firepower wise. What is it that I am missing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Originally posted by kingjames: Sorry if it seems I am complaining. I am trying to figure out the secret to life here. I just am seeing how it is possible. The mountain troops and smg squads at 18m to 25m, according to how I understand it, should way out class some british paras or regulars, firepower wise. What is it that I am missing? Were the Brits in foxholes? And your men weren't? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted December 4, 2003 Author Share Posted December 4, 2003 Nope, qb battle. Both vets, meeting in dense woods. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 British squads have a manpower edge, which might make a difference when it comes to chucking grenades 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 In my experience, in forest firefights, it depends on who blunders into whom. Iow, still-moving (or sneaking) units will suffer vastly more if the enemy is already stationary and ready to fight. Also, I think sneaking units will continue to go forward until they actually receive fire, regardless of other friendly units around them that are already caught up in the fight. And you're quite right that massing large numbers of men on a small patch of ground is usually Not A Good Idea ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Only loosing 3 companies is usually a good day for me........ Is that good? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Carr Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 How did the Brits carry all that ammo? Bad luck old chap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted December 11, 2003 Author Share Posted December 11, 2003 I think ol' Walker hit it on the head. I was usually trying to advance on sneak, seeing as how I was last to the flag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard R Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Yeah, sneaking while in contact is not always the best idea. I'd lost many men to that before I came to realize what I had done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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