c3k Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Gents, I'm playing a scenario in which one of my Abrams took an RPG hit resulting in damage and wounding of a crewmember. Well done, Syrian AT team. This brought up several issues. 1. I did not know anyone in the Abrams had been wounded until 2 or 3 turns later. Acting as battalion HQ, company HQ, platoon HQ, and vehicle commander, I - the player - NEED BETTER, MORE TIMELY, feedback on this. 2. The crew status icon, normally the four blue dots under the vehicle silhouette, is confusing. It showed 3 blue and one red. The red dot was the upper right dot. Who is that? I don't know. Looking at the stacked icons for the driver, gunner, loader, and commander just to the left of the vehicle silhouette box yielded no information. One of them is wounded, but who? In an infantry squad, the equivalent icon is shaded yellow; in the vehicle crew that does not occur. 3. Consistency: linked to point number 2, above. Why would a wounded crewmember have his blue dot change to red which indicate hors de combat whereas he is actually able to function? (Hors de combat in a vehicle is currently indicated by a MISSING blue or red dot.) Thanks, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Did you look at the crew status on the left of the screen? It tells you who is doing what, including being a casualty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Elmar, Excellent suggestion: I went back to look and here is what I saw... As you can see, the red dot does not correspond to any other crew listing. I know red means yellow (why, oh why, can't we change it to yellow?), but if it has no effect, why have it? If it does effect crew response time, etc., then why isn't it shown in either of the other two crew lists? Thanks, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Oh, The screenshot above also captures an elusive bug. Yes, bug. Notice that the Abrams is selected: its icon is green. Now, look at the top of the screen and notice that the selected unit icon, the triangle, is RED. I've seen this several times. Any thoughts? I'll post it separately if needed. Thanks, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 The red icon just means that one of the crew member is yellow status. Just to make sure, bail out and the crew and see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 stikkypixie, Yes, thanks. I see it now: An Abrams cresting a berm, advancing on the enemy. The steely-eyed Tank Commander spoke, "Men! This is it! I expect you all to do your best!" Infused with the warrior spirit by their TC's motivating speech, the men in the tank braced for the battle. Suddenly, BANG! "Ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!! I'm hit, I'm hit! Oh, God, I'm hit!" The Tank Commander was unsure what happened. Confusion, fear, fright! Then his training kicked in. "Driver! Reverse!" They retreated back over the protection of the berm. What just happened? They must've been nailed by an RPG. Systems status were all okay. They could fight, but who was hurt? "Men, report in!" "Driver here." "Loader here." "Gunner here." Damn, this was gonna be a tough nut to crack. The TC, being resourceful, tried again. "Is anyone wounded?" Over the intercom came a faint reply, "Yes sir, I am." "Who said that?", the TC demanded. Silence. "Very well," the TC continued, "if no one admits to being wounded, we're going to have to dismount so I can perform an examination. Including all body cavities." Silence. Is that how it's supposed to happen? Thanks, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Since it won't matter who is wounded unless the crew take a walk I have no great problems with this being displayed the way it is. It is somewhat unclear, true. But also completely irrelevant. Mountain=/=molehill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Are you sure it's irrelevant? Are any of the crewmember's reaction times or responsed downgraded in any aspect by being wounded? If yes, then it matters. If no, then why even track light wounds? Regards, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 But also completely irrelevant. Supposing that the affected soldier is performing less well as soon as (s)he is injured, it is probably not. Perhaps an injured gunner aims less well, an injured loader does not reload as fast, etc.???! :confused: Best regards, Thomm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFightingSeabee Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 It should be fixed. When crew are yellow, it should show yellow. And another thing, when they are red, you should be able to perform medical aid just like you can to dismounted troops. And I think if anyone is dead, the icon should be black. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I don't understand why some of the crew members don't have a weapon icon. I mean if they don't have M4s, why not just show an M9 in the icon slot and have that turn yellow? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 Does anyone know whether a wounded crewmember has any effect on crew performance? BF.C? Beta's? Anyone else? As well, what about changing that icon color? Make the red dot become yellow upon light wounding. Thanks, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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