ClaytoniousRex Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 A great new scenario by Hub. Download it here. Can't wait to play this one online. Feedback for Hub would be much appreciated. Edit: updated download link to Hub's latest version [ August 13, 2006, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: ClaytoniousRex ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurch Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 The coloring of the foliage and terrain differs a bit too much. This isn't a problem in reality, but in DT it kind of is. Case in point, you have those dark colored patches of dirt covered in the yellow grasses. With the way foliage is rendered, the patch looks dark, almost black, from a distance, and it gets progressively more yellow as you get closer and foliage is rendered in. I find this a bit trippy. It's also a bit unintuitive on the minimap too, I guess. Perhaps you can throw some splashings of the foliage texture/coloring into the terrain, however it's done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hub Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 [ October 21, 2006, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: Hub ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurch Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Well, even with green you'll have the discrepancy. Raid, for example, seems to put green texturings under most or all of it's foliage areas. Of course, I'm operating under blissful ignorance of how much work adding those texture masks are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hub Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 [ October 21, 2006, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Hub ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hub Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 [ October 21, 2006, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Hub ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurch Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Yeah, it's far better without the really hard dark browns. I might have to drop my settings if I want to keep foliage though, gets a tad hairy in the center... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_au Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Looks good hub. I'll play it with you. If you can host I'll have a try with you anytime. BTW are you the same Hub who plays SB?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hub Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 [ October 21, 2006, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Hub ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_au Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 ahhhh good old Shotmagnets crew. Tell him your wife makes Pinata suits for an instant promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hub Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 [ October 21, 2006, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Hub ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoniousRex Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 Here's the skinny on what's going on with foliage. Below is a screenshot of Hub's scenario with yellow grass: The grass in the foreground looks good while the grass in the background looks "funky". The reason for that is that the grass in the foreground matches the color of the terrain beneath it. The grass in the background is on a purple-brown patch of land, but the grass is still the same yellow. The "color" of the ground, especially in the distance, is supposed to represent how the ground looks, including the foliage on it. So if we switched instead to a darker brown kind of grass, then that brown patch in the background would now look good, but the yellow terrain in the foreground would now look "funky". When we had green grass, then it looked funky on BOTH the yellow and brown areas, because neither of them was green. So the basic problem is that the same terrain type mask, which is tied to the foliage, is covering both of these differently colored areas in the base texture. Now, minor variations in base texture color are a very good thing. But major differences in color, within the same "terrain type" as specified by the mask, when using foliage, lead to this problem. The best solution would be for the terrain type mask that has yellow grass associated with it to only cover the yellow parts of the terrain. Or, if you want browner grass, then make that mask only cover the brown parts of the terrain (and not the yellow parts). As long as that one terrain type covers both the yellow and brown patches, then you will never be able to have a foliage color that doesn't look funky on one or the other (or both) of them. Does this make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 It takes a brave man to ask for feedback from this bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_au Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Clay have you considered that as the mask is a png it could have an alpha channel which would add another layer of detail / options. This could be used purely for roads even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoniousRex Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 Latest, final version of Hub's scenario is now reflected in the original link above. Dark, that's a really good idea to get a 4th channel. In the long run, breaking it out into an unlimited number of grayscale images (instead of using the r,g,b,a channels from a single image) would be the most flexible of all. But using the alpha is a very clever way to get a 4th channel easily in the short-run, so we'll do it. Thanks for the idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoniousRex Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 Updated version posted (1.3) from Hub. Use the original download link above to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalinth Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 The scenario has 4 turrets of each type for the defender. The only problem is that in the data file it is calling for the old Plasma Turrets rather then the new Missile and 76mm turrets. Also, I find that both sides tend run out of units towards the end, espec with the bots using up stuff like no tommorow. Perhaps a slight increase to inventories might be in order. I'm not suggesting much, perhaps a couple cutters for the defense and couple more Paladins and infantry squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoniousRex Posted August 28, 2006 Author Share Posted August 28, 2006 Hub has upgraded the turrets to the new types for the 1.1.4 release. Thanks, Jalinth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalinth Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I thought it had been mentioned, but thought it best to be sure. What do people think about a Cutter or two for the defenders? There are a couple places that a trench or two would be rather useful. Overall, I do like the scenario. Just looking for a few tweaks to make it better. The one thing that worries me is the AA turrets will increase the number of attacker deaths, and I find that they are normally running out of units that can actually hold the objective by the end of the map as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hub Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 [ October 21, 2006, 07:56 AM: Message edited by: Hub ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalinth Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Sounds good to me. Until we see what 1.1.4 does to everything, it would be premature to make any changes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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