Destraex Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I saw a movie about 5 years ago about a russian t72 tank crew in the desert, it was called the tank or something similar. At the end they are near a village that attacks and kills them??? Can't exactly remeber the name but want to track down and watch the film. Any other modern tank film suggestions also appreciated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobra Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Thx for spoiling the ending. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 It was a T-54 or T-62, I can't remember which. The tanks (3 of 'em IIRC) were war booty of Israel, which is where the film was made. The story was based on a play set in Afghanistan during the 1st or 2nd year of the Soviet invasion. Overall it was a very good film, but it had one MAJOR inaccuracy. Anybody know what it was? BTW, the Beast was the first film I ever saw that had a REAL "modern" Soviet tank in it. Iron Cross was the first movie I saw with REAL Soviet tanks of any sort. Few and far inbetween since then too. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sIx Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Well the actor were Americans playing Russians with perfect american english; some say this was a error but its more to illustrate(for western audiences)how it would feel for a fellow country men(in this case russian) watching this movie would feel, not some far off foriegn nationals that we are totally detached from. but the afgans side actors did have good accents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Nah, language is not usually considered an error since at least one language is usually the native one for the target audience. The alternative is subtitles or accented to mimic how the foreign language sounds spoken in the target language. But the former is impractical (as it is for books too, BTW), and the latter often comes off sounding stupid. In any case, it is no more realistic for the languge to be accented since, for example, Germans don't go around speaking English to each other with thick German accents. So it is silly to say that an actor who was coached to pronounce "Ws" as "Vs" and say "Ja" instead of "Yes" makes something more authentic. Being in New England I know I'd rather hear actors speak in their native accent rather than make a lame attempt at doing one of the local accents around me. VERY few can do it right, so it generally comes off sounding stupid. At least to me because I know the difference (I can only do the accent when I've had a few too many ) Nope, I'm talking about a big, huge, fundamental, major, super duper mistake that is so bad that if they had corrected it they would have had to make an entirely different movie. Yup, I'm talking about a little more than some linguistics. Anybody? Steve [ July 16, 2005, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: Battlefront.com ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskal Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 The Beast (aka The Beast of war) is my favourite movie ever! It was made in 1989 by Kevin Reynolds. I've got it on computer, VHS, and DVD, and I even managed to get the soundtrack of the film The tank was infact a modified israeli T-62. I didnt mind the english "accent" of the actors at all, I think it was ok that way. And the guy, George Dzundza, who played the tank commander was brilliant! Guess from where I got my nickname: Daskal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Nope, I'm talking about a big, huge, fundamental, major, super duper mistake that is so bad that if they had corrected it they would have had to make an entirely different movie. Yup, I'm talking about a little more than some linguistics. Anybody? The fact that they managed to fit 4th guy in the turret making "T-62" a 5 crewman tank? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Diesel has it right. Gold Star for you, Diesel The crew in the movie consisted of 5 men in the movie, but the norm for Soviet main battle tanks, since WWII even, is a crew of 4. A major accuracy problem that could not be fixed without gutting a big part of the story because each character represented distinctly different things. Trimming down the crew size would have eliminated that representation. Also, the tank commander supposedly was knocking out German tanks in Stalingrad. I think he said he was 8 years old at the time. That would have made him pretty old for a lowly tank commander by most standards, though I do not know what the case actually was for TCs in Afghanistan. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Also, the tank commander supposedly was knocking out German tanks in Stalingrad.Another odd thing besides his age was how he told that he was lowered on top of german panzers via rope to set up molotov coktails. Why didn't he just throw them...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted July 18, 2005 Author Share Posted July 18, 2005 sorry m8, I do not know how the movie ends, what I said was somewhere in the movie. Near the end perhaps. I really did see this a long long time ago. Its all a blur. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 I thought the error was the flame-thrower from the 360 degree defense?! Did that tank really have one?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted July 23, 2005 Author Share Posted July 23, 2005 I got this DVD from the local Blockbuster video shop. So all is good 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparksz Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Anyone here seen the movie 'wheels of terror' based on the book from Sven Hassel,saw it years ago on VHS tape,about a german tank crew fighting the soviets. Book Description The best-selling military writer returns to his comrades in 27th penal battalion, offering another gritty, realistic view of the ordinary soldier in wartime. Now stationed at the Russian Front, and equipped with armored vehicles, Sven Hassel's band of warriors from the German army gird for the next battles. Caught between the insane orders of the Nazi high command and the overwhelming numbers of Russian soldiers, they prepare to fight on nonetheless--and will do anything to survive the inferno. A remorseless ride through a man-made hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted July 23, 2005 Author Share Posted July 23, 2005 I saw the cover at the vid shop. Took one look at the tank and thought that it looked kinda gomo. Is it a good movie? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarball Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 It is a good movie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signal1943 Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 I don't think the 5th crewman was an error because he wasn't really a 5th crewman but was a translator/guide for the russion crew although whether you could fit a 5th man inside the tank is another matter, seems like it would be very cramped 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 does wheels of terror have authentic tanks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparksz Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Yes, from what I can remember they fighting in a Stug, jagdpanzer or similar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGP Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Originally posted by sparksz: Yes, from what I can remember they fighting in a Stug, jagdpanzer or similar. Yes, but it was a Soviet Stug - either an SU-85 or SU-100, can't remember which, since it's a long time ago since I saw the movie. Cheers, Erling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backguard Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Also, the tank commander supposedly was knocking out German tanks in Stalingrad. I think he said he was 8 years old at the time. That would have made him pretty old for a lowly tank commander by most standards, though I do not know what the case actually was for TCs in Afghanistan. 27-29 years maximum if he was a sergeant and up to 47 years if he was an officer. Most likely 19-20 years old 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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