well-dressed gentleman Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I think POW camps should be represented. Then you could get replacements when they were liberated. This would take Germany down a notch as U.S. and Siberian camps would be out of range. Too bad most of those actors are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Anybody got historical numbers on POWs? Number captured? Number died while held captive? Number escaped? Liberted? ETC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cobb Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Most POWs never went back to combat other than, maybe, some escapees early in the war. My father's last duty in Europe was to transport Russian POWs back to the Red Army. The ones he saw were not enthused about going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyazinth von Strachwitz Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 @ Jim Cobb: maybe they were not really enthused coz the russian used to shoot them for "not dying for the country"...... many russian PoW were treated as collaborators as they came home.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cobb Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 or were sent to the Gulag. Samething happened with troops involved in supressing the Hungarian and Czech revolts. How're ya gonna keep them down on the collective after they've seen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konigs Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Yeah, Stalin Killed all the people his army liberated in his own country, and the POWS were either killed outright or sent to Gulags that were as bad if not worse than German POW camps, and they died there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well-dressed gentleman Posted July 27, 2006 Author Share Posted July 27, 2006 Well, that sounds like something he would do. But the anglo-allies could sure replace losses with their own liberated POWs. A destroyed army or air unit could be reconstituted with French, British or U.S. prisoners. Don't know how many were there historically. Obviously the number we'll have depends on play. [ July 27, 2006, 09:40 AM: Message edited by: well-dressed gentleman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scook Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 If I do recall, being a POW was a ticket home once liberated, or duty away from the front, unless you volunteered for duty, which was rare. Airmen brought back through the French Underground were not allowed to fly over Axix occupied territory for fear of recapture and use of the knowledge to compromise Le Resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well-dressed gentleman Posted July 27, 2006 Author Share Posted July 27, 2006 Assuming the allied player chooses to be this generous to his freed POWs, wouldn't a POW sitting at a desk job stateside or in London still free up a soldier or airman for combat duty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolend Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 The vast majority of US POW's were airmen and thus could not be used to 'reinforce' ground units. By the time the US POW camps were being liberated the war was all but over and as has been stated, most were returned home, I doubt many even did light duty. I think their impact on the war, would be to small to really include in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I agree with WDG. Remember the movie Great Escape? "Danny we came here to fight the Germans. Don't you want to escape & do those things?". Or how about the movie Stalag 17,"big deal, so you escape & get back to the States. This time they ship you off to the Pacific & you get shot down & end up even worse, in a Japanese prisoner camp". Remeber Bride on the River Kwai? They sent him back too! Never underestimate the value of watching war movies. -Legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 sorry man, I just dont like the idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolend Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Rambo I respect your views on many issue here on the forums but to base actual facts on the movies you have watched, as you tend to do, just lessens there impact and importance. To think that the war was like what you see in one movie or one movie scene is just wrong and can lead to many wrong conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 What's wrong with movies? You think men don't make up things in books too? Problem is, people put faith in books, but no faith in The Book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolend Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Rambo, nothing wrong with movies as entertainment but yes as a source for facts most arn't even close. I know there are a couple exceptions to the rule, "like A Bridge too Far" or "The Battle of Britan" but even the one move you mentioned "The River Kwai" is so such a Hollywood stretch of the turth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I don't think liberating a POW camp or two should allow you to get a free corps or the like. Most prisoners would be combat ineffective for some time after their release anyway. Early in the war (1940, 1941) the Allies were very glad to return escaped POWs to fighting units as every man was needed to protect Great Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well-dressed gentleman Posted July 27, 2006 Author Share Posted July 27, 2006 In Hogan's Heroes, they accomplished as much from prison as they did from the air. Seriously though, not a free corps - sorry if I gave that impression. But the opportunity restore destroyed corps into your build limit - or free replacement points in a damaged corps. [ July 27, 2006, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: well-dressed gentleman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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