Edwin P. Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Why was Iran added to the list of countries? What effect will Iran have on the game? Also, the new map includes most of Saudi Arabia and the Red Sea. What effect will this have on the game? [ April 29, 2004, 06:11 AM: Message edited by: Edwin P. ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Iran, Iraq, no effect. Germany couldn't protect their own country from the United States Air Force, you think they're going go have Rommell just drive 5000 miles, pick up some oil, & bring it back? Germans were stupid for wasting any amount of resources in the MedFront. They should have build defenses if anything, they stopped us at Casino Station, they natural geography made it impossible to invade. They should have taken EVERY resource into Russia, BUT only in 2-Army Groups. Germans were overated. Royal Navy smart & brave. [ April 28, 2004, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: jon_j_rambo ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiver Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Jon J Rambo I agree with your coments I think Germany would have been well advised to have concentrated on USSR. "Royal Navy brave and clever" - Praise indeed!My grandfather and both his brothers were all serving with RN in the Med in 41 and 42. USN were no slouches either. Reiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 reiver --- Hello, our English friend, we Yanks appreciate the relationship between our countries. British Navy has the most fantastic history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin P. Posted April 29, 2004 Author Share Posted April 29, 2004 Perhaps the British Fleet can find shelter in the Red Sea out of sight of the Italian Navy. It appears that the sea hexes south of the Suez canal are enough to shelter several naval ships. With a Bomber in Cairo they can spot any approaching Axis transports. Then they can venture forth thru the Suez Canal to sink them to the surprise of the Axis commander. [ April 29, 2004, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Edwin P. ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blashy Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Jon, I know you are 1000% go Yankees. But lets not forget the German fall was the result of one mad man leading the way. UK and US military people who participated in WW2 admitted that they would have often been outwitted and beaten by the German commanders had they not being doing some stupid moves as dictated by Hitler. With that said, at least the Allies were smart enough not to leave everything up to one man and for that, the German high command were a buch of idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Blashy --- One Madman? Are you kidding me...Goering, Himmler, Eichman, Hendrick the Hangman, the list goes on. That one Madman didn't lead the charge either, the whole country was behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Rambo...I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. On the contrary, I believe the Med theater presented possibly the only medium in which Germany could have won the war. Think about it, delay or forget the USSR invasion and put the resources into the Med, stretching the reserves of Germany's only remaining antagonist, UK. Don't be stupid and bring in the USA or USSR until the UK is defeated. Germany gets the Mideast oil and resources of N.Africa and all the while Italy is helping. Wouldn't be too long before Spain joined the Axis camp and there goes Gibraltar. Remember how easy it is in SC1 "Fall Weiss" to make the Med an Axis lake, that wasn't so far fetched from what could have been reality. Who's going to stop them? The Russians wouldn't have come to the aid of Turkey with a gathering Wehrmacht storm on its border. The USA was like it is now, divided as to what to do, and with Pearl Harbor vengeance at its peak, all Germany had to do was restrict its u-boats in the Atlantic a little with an apology here or there for indescriminant US merchant sinkings. So what say ye naysayers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blashy Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Jon my point is that in the end, he had the last call, no matter if 10 generals were in front of him telling him it is not a good idea he could still go the other way and they would follow. I said one mad man was their ultimate downfall, do you see anywhere me stating he was the only one? This was Nazy Germany after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Okay guys, I'll give you a little space on your comments SeaMonkey --- Yes, properly done, & politically aligned, Germany could have carved out a nice piece of pie in the MedFront. Blashy --- From a "war strategy standpoint", the bad strategy came from the top. I don't invision too many German High Command General interrupting Adolf at a staff meeting. The were scared to wake Adolf on D-Day just to move a couple of tanks. From your other thread, I understand your context is military, not sanity checks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dave Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Iran does not occupy much space on the map as presently constituted... 3 full tiles, and 3 partial tiles, that's it. It has no cities or resources, and you might say that it is largely "decorative." However, it IS a sovereign nation, and a DoW would not go un-noticed in the east & west Capitals of the world. In the way of Diplomatic gain, or loss of prestige. I suppose you could undertake a determined campaign for Iran, and the Middle East, and have more room to maneuver in your planned dagger-thrust into south central Russia. As for Saudia Arabia ... that whole amorphous area that is composed of Palestine and Trans-Jordan and SA, is quite a bit larger on the SC2 map. Whereas, in SC1, it was about 11 hexes in total land mass, Here it is over 100 tiles. Now, what effect on strategic concerns or tactical game-play? Who knows? We'll have to play many, many games to see IF it matters much at all. My guess? It will. Say, if the Axis player really, REALLY wants 4 things: 1) Access to the Iraq's oil. 2) To cut-off the "Persian pipe-line" for Lend Lease shipments, by taking the port of Basra. 3) Threaten the Russians from another front, forcing them to re-deploy some forces to defend ALL those VERY rich resources in the area. 4) Just wants to be a "Rommel-like" nuisance who churns up the sands and causes all kinds of trouble for the UK, who can hardly afford to lose the Med base, especially Suez or Basra. I agree with all of those who suggest that this Theatre was greatly mis-appreciated by the German High Command. A HUGE opportunity was, almost casually kicked away. The British, as evidenced by their dedicated and intense defense of the Med as a whole... knew better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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