Lars Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Er, no. I still want soviet winter, but I want the ability to lessen the effect by investing in being prepared for it, if I so choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Yeah, take some gloves, boots, and a box of matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 And don't forget the flask of Tequila! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Originally posted by Lars: I still want soviet winter, but I want the ability to lessen the effect by investing in being prepared for it, if I so choose. which makes some more sense but I suspect would be seriously imbalancing. the Germans had all the kit for winter of course - the LW had issued winter clothing in Russia for 1941, and Where macht storehouses were full of it too - they "just" hadn't issued it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Well, we'd all like the chance to kick the quartermaster's butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Not to omit, Let's have! Another researchable category, called: "Beat the Heat!" Yep, IF you get yer chit-hits in this area, You can have! 1) Pith helmet 2) Anti-scorpion sting-kit 3) Wrap-around Ray-ban shades 4) Xtra layer! Of canvas for the canteens 5) Apron so you can safely fry eggs on the surface of your Panzers or Matildas 6) Camo chalk so to gag loose talk what Sinks ships, or, whole! anti-tank brigades, As the case may be. 7) Road map to Rik's Americain Cafe In Casablanca. Also included, Swedish culture Hand-book so Ilsa O so beautiful In blue (... the Bosche, not being fashionistas... wore grey) MIGHT be? A bit less enamored of a Freedom Fighter, And more enamored of... you? THIS! We need, in a grand strategic game Equally much as much as - Winter Prep, IMO. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZGungHo Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I understand why people would like the option to be prepared for this - but it does create a huge problem beyond game balancing. The real problem to me is this - Where Do You Stop? If we're going to give the option to be prepared for the Russian Winter, how about giving the French the option to be better prepared to fight? Maybe not having built the Maginot Line and having more troops, planes, tanks, etc.? The list would go on forever, and in the end you'd end up with something that has absolutely nothing to do with WW2 in Europe. You have to draw a line somewhere and accept certain facts as the foundation for what you build on. I think what we've got at this point is as good a foundation as you can get, and that it ought to be left as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Very well stated, AZG! Tho, I'd thought - you yer Self living in the desert As I do [... lower altitude, and less attitude also, I'd'a reckon] You woulda LIKED my research idea? :confused: Well, The concisely rational X-planation IS Way better than the "ironic surreality" That a LOT of Life oft is Usually anyhow, I gotta admit, Every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
targul Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I have seen and play one game that has those options. France 1940 had the option to eliminate the Maginot Line and make more units. Didnt help France much but it was fun to play with. CWIE has an option to prepare for winter in Russia. It prevents the damage perturn but not the results of winter ie movement still impaired, attack defense still not helped. It costs about 1/2 the cost of 1 months total production. That is alot so I sometimes do and sometimes dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 CWIE has an option to prepare for winter in Russia. It prevents the damage perturn but not the results of winter ie movement still impaired, attack defense still not helped. What's the point of EVEN having This "winter prep" option? Wouldn't you ALWAYS select it? I cannot imagine any player Saying something like so: "I am allowed to PREPARE for that Most horrible, WORST Winter In many a Tsarist moon, BUT!! Nah! - don't think I'll do that." It costs about 1/2 the cost of 1 months total production. That is alot so I sometimes do and sometimes dont. And so, apparently, There IS some small cost ratio Kinda benefit. Well, You can RISK - what? A few bucks? Makes a difference of - what? A TINY fraction of over-all expenditures? Why have something where the c-b ratio Is fussy & small? Seems like "window dressing" As opposed to making sure The whole department store Has solid foundation? [ August 28, 2007, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Heh, well what's the point of anything we do? The war is over. I was just thinking that if you get to, say Infrastructure 2 or 3, there should be a chance of a couple of the Russian cities not getting knocked down to zero supply. Increase the effect for the more you dump into Infrastructure. Does anybody even really bother with that tech? Seems a bit of a waste of mmps to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Originally posted by Lars: Heh, well what's the point of anything we do? The war is over. I was just thinking that if you get to, say Infrastructure 2 or 3, there should be a chance of a couple of the Russian cities not getting knocked down to zero supply. Increase the effect for the more you dump into Infrastructure. Does anybody even really bother with that tech? Seems a bit of a waste of mmps to me. One war ends, the next begins! How it's been since - hmmm, The cave days! We've come a far, far distance, Get-along-with-the-Other-wise, ah, Ain't we just! Actually, No matter all I've already said, I am coming to regard your proposal, Lars, With fresh interest. Why not? Lessen the First Winter Effects IF "infrastructure" is at a higher Level of achievement? And, IF you also penalized the Red Beserkers In a near equivalent fashion, well, That would be surpassing fair. One thing... Infra-S WILL be a mite different (... in several ways) In the next version, Thus, Your last comment doesn't apply as much Anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 ACK! Three (3) "smileys" in ONE post! What's WRONG with me! :eek: Time to re-consult the curandero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 @Desert Dave --- Another profound & classic take! Way to judge yourself! I just put a gold star beside your name for this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Actually Lars infrastructure is relatively important, usually, not always, depends on the strategy of my opponent, or myself. Consistently I do dump some MPPs in whether Allies or Axis. Makes me less inhibited to operate around my HQ supported air corps, shifting attack emphasis from one theater to the other. Those elite, high experienced combat units also benefit, as they set wonderful little traps all over the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Originally posted by Lars: Does anybody even really bother with that tech? Seems a bit of a waste of mmps to me. If you make a sizeable US Airforce then you can save the points on the costs of operating many air units from the US to UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
targul Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Sorry Dave I cannot understand what you are trying to say. The cost is higher if you do the preparation for winter then the actual losses which is why you would not always do them. But you do not have to bring those units back for refit which is time so you are sacrificing time for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Well, I haven't invested in it that much. I'm sure you save, but how much? And on a "maybe" if you get it in time, plus with the opportunity cost of not investing in something else instead. I'm usually maxed out in other things, but I'll have to give it a try sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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