Doug Beman Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 Originally posted by Nippy: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andrew Hedges: The State doesn't own businesses under fascism, and there is private property under fascism as well.True, but in Nazi Germany at any rate, all large buisness owners were members or had ties to the Nazi party. Kind of like how Socalisim says that the means of production belong to the people, but the Government (with the people's best interests in mind of course ) manages it for them.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robear Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 It's probably significant that Mussolini described Fascism as more properly called "Corporatism", when he wrote his famous encyclopedia entry on the topic. But that's different from free-market Capitalism-with-a-large-C, because while Fascism assumes a wise, paternal government subsuming industry to provide for the goals of the state, today's capitalism views the state as a tool to achieve the goals of industry, in America expressed by an undertone of hope that the inconvenient government will dry up and take it's regulations with it. The Nazi's social policies and community structure had what seem to me to be socialist qualities - everyone worked or served somehow, low level informers monitored political leanings, etc. But the overall government was definitely Fascist in it's control of the people (a sort of twisted paternalism) and also in it's efforts to manage the industrial output in all critical sectors to state goals. Robear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nippy Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 "Yah, as opposed to the US, where the leaders of big business...have ties to ALL the political parties (eg Enron donating chunks of cash to Repbublicans AND Democrats)." I would file this under the case of: "Those who fail to learn history...repeat themselves?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Alkema Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 Originally posted by Eden Smallwood: ...in fact fasces is an English word directly. The important point not yet mentioned is that the fasces is demonstrating strength through unity- the bundling of wimpy wimpy wimpy twigs together gets you something hefty hefty hefty you can beat your enemies with. Ooh.. ahh... * symbolism * Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 I have a vague memory from Classical history classes many years ago that the Tribunes were agents of the people in Ancient Rome - the pleebians, and the faesces they carried were symbolic weapons for defending their liberty - originally they had a more practical use against the upper classes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Rock Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 But the big question is does CMBB correctly model the armor penetrating qualities of the rifle fired fascista? Or is this just me trying to pretend this question is on topic for this board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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