gatpr Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Will it be possible to design a scenario where, for example, German and Rumanian troops are fighting against the Russians. I would have used Finns as an example, but everyone knows they wouldn't need the help. And trying it with Magyars and Rumanians wouldn't work; they'd end up shooting at each other. Seriously Geman units were sometimes assigned to allied formations to stiffen them a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 I think that stiffening is outside the scope of a wargame!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatpr Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 I'm amused; but it was a serious question regardles of the wording. Ave atque vale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrullenhaft Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Yes, you can design a scenario to have more than one nationality present on the battlefield (Romanian & German, Hungarian & German, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Not to argue with what Schrullenhaft said, I am really skeptical that the mixing occurred on a scale that would show up in a CM game. I don't think you were apt to find a German platoon in a Rumanian company, unless it were purely due to happenstance (i.e., the two forces got mingled in a retreat). So, while it is nice to have the capability in the game, I would humbly suggest that people be judicious in its use. Michael [ August 01, 2002, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: Michael emrys ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Michael, Actually it WAS quite common. The Germans did not trust their Allies at the end of the war, and constantly had units mixed in with romanians and hungarians. I have seen quite a few AARs on this. Rune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWB Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Not even at the end of the war. I have read several accounts of a german company stiffening a Rumanian or Italian regiment as early as 42. WWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 bleep [ August 02, 2002, 12:04 AM: Message edited by: Michael emrys ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 But the German company would be fighting as a coherent unit, right? Not dispersed among the regiment? That's my point. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by gatpr: I would have used Finns as an example, but everyone knows they wouldn't need the help. Actually we did need help. But the thing is our leaders did not trust the German troops (in combat or to be present near the capital to facilitate a coup when the armistice was signed). We were glad to get the weapons though. There were no German troops in the Ishmus (facing Leningrad) from 1941 to 1944. Stug abteilung 330 (IIRC) and some infantry arrived to bolster the defences in the Isthmus in 1944 but they were used as back up behind the lines after the fall of Viipuri in case the Red Army happened to break through at Ihantala. The only major action the infantry engaged in was to fight back an invasion across the bay of Viipuri. And even that they did laced by some Finnish troops. The Stugs saw some action (enough to remark the Finnish infantry was not very good at combined arms operations, which is true since the troops they fought alongside with had never fought having tanks help them ever before). What we also used was the CAS given by the Detachment Kuhlmey (mainly Ju-87's and FW190's). This was VERY crucial in the dire days of the Soviet assault in 1944. So, we did ask for help. But what was needed was mainly the new infantry AT weaponry and CAS (which the FAF was not really equipped to give properly). The German troops sent up were not posted in the immediate front line because the Finnish leaders feared they would not be as resilient as Finnish troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisbech_lad Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 One of the best SL scenarios (Capture of Balta) had a joint Roumanian/ German attack in 1941 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by tero: So, we did ask for help.Also, in Lapland there was a big horde of Jerries alongside with some Finnish units who were under German command. In some cases they worked closely, at least close enough for Finns to draw friendly fire from their brothers-in-arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Of course, I don't know how often Finnish forces cooperated with Rumanians and Hungarians... But I recall that there's going to be different fronts (north, center, south or sumpfink) with differing OOB's, so you can't really mix them in all possible ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tools4fools Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by Schrullenhaft: Yes, you can design a scenario to have more than one nationality present on the battlefield (Romanian & German, Hungarian & German, etc.).Great news; a scenario with just one na tionality on the whole battlefield would be a bit boring I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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