Manchildstein Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 this is for the former squad leader players who miss 'guns in buildings.' there is a way: what you do is buy guns, then go into the map editor and preview mode, then place the guns where you will put buildings. then 'go' back to map editing mode and put buildings where you know the guns are. go into preview mode again and make sure you placed the buildings correctly. if you place the gun first (lock it down), then put a building there, 'walla walla' you have a gun inside of a building. it will be able to rotate and fire in the battle normally. caution: for realism's sake, you probably don't want to put a huge 88mm gun inside of a building! instead use it for 50mm at, 20mm aa, and the likes. andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob/1 Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 Answer no.Its not historical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoot Posted December 31, 2000 Share Posted December 31, 2000 Man.., By the way, I believe that trick works for armor as well (although it won't move thereafter). And yes, AT guns, recoilless rifles, armor, etc. were all placed in buildings now and again. Clubfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I/O Error Posted December 31, 2000 Share Posted December 31, 2000 A building is a superb place to situate an antitank gun. Surprise and protection, in one little brick-faced package... So you can't get it OUT very quickly, but still useful for a fighting retreat. (Talk to the Germans and Soviets, THEY knew what they were doing!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchildstein Posted December 31, 2000 Author Share Posted December 31, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rob/1: Answer no.Its not historical!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> are you the resident flamebot now? how about if you go byte the wall? andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob/1 Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 or how about not!Hay I am a historicl freek! [This message has been edited by Rob/1 (edited 12-31-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I/O Error Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 I'm sorry to say it, but it is PERFECTLY historical to place guns of various sizes within buildings. Added protection, concealment, and so on are HUGE advantages to consider. Nothing wrong with guns in buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rob/1: Answer no.Its not historical!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Just read an account of the 23rd Hussars (11th AD) fighting in Antwerp. Apparently they had to deal with guns on top of buildings. I have also read an account of German tanks being concealed in buildings in Cassino. Perfect hull-down positioning in a smidgeon. Agreed it probably did not happen often, and with the impossibility to fortify houses in CM (although you could do it with a pillbox to simulate a fortified house... Hmmm, there's an idea...) it is a bit suidcidal. ------------------ Andreas Der Kessel Home of „Die Sturmgruppe“; Scenario Design Group for Combat Mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimShady Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 In Stephen Ambrose's Citizen Soliders there's a story (which came from Belton Cooper's Death Traps), how the Germans hauled PAK40 75mm AT guns into a church steeple to prevent American advances. [This message has been edited by LimShady (edited 01-02-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CATguy Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 what about the hamsters in bldgs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 In Arnhem colonel Frost placed his 6 pounder AT guns in the buildings and they worked quite well. Remember buildings can have a nasty habit falling on your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
British Tommy Posted January 6, 2001 Share Posted January 6, 2001 and all because someone mentioned placing a A\T gun in a building........GEEEZ! ( as our American cousins would say! ) ------------------ unleash the dogs of war! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groundpounder Posted January 6, 2001 Share Posted January 6, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CATguy: what about the hamsters in bldgs?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Oh PLEASE, Unleash NOT the rodentia upon this section of the board! gp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffinCheng+ Posted January 8, 2001 Share Posted January 8, 2001 Nice tips. Another example of placing a PaK inside building was in Villes Bocage. The British placed at least 1 PaK (6 pdr, iirc) inside the building and ambushed Wittman's tank, making it immob. Griffin. ------------------ "When you find your PBEM opportents too hard to beat, there is always the AI." "Can't get enough Tank?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoncawley@ameritech.net Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 The Germans indeed liked to hide tanks in buildings, as well as guns. But sometimes it backfired - the buildings had cellars, the floors could not take the weight of the heavier tanks, and the tanks fell right in LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Norton Posted January 14, 2001 Share Posted January 14, 2001 The Russians hid both tanks and guns in buildings. It was common practice with them. The German tank buster in the Stuka was an expert at flying low and slow over villages looking for tanks protruding out of the homes below. He recounts this a couple of times in his book. Erik Schmidt (combat engineer)recounts block busting in Kiev where the Russians placed AT and HE guns in buildings at street intersections. Something to see in CM2.... ------------------ "The Legitimate object of war is a more perfect peace." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboivin Posted January 17, 2001 Share Posted January 17, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Germanboy: Just read an account of the 23rd Hussars (11th AD) fighting in Antwerp. Apparently they had to deal with guns on top of buildings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL! How did they push the thing up the stairs! That must have been one exhausted gun crew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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