Luftwaffe Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 I don't know if these will be included in CMBB but I am pretty sure the Italians used some Semoventes and Autoblindas on the Easten front. Any insights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Moorhouse FUTURE Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 On the Russian Front Italy used : L6/40 light tanks Semoventi da 47/32 tanks. I assume they will be in the game ??? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffe Posted January 1, 2002 Author Share Posted January 1, 2002 I sure hope so... The vehicle list is FAT, so these should be in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 What, you like the idea of your men being targets inside mobile coffins or is it more a case of wanting to be able to target them as the Russians and rack up easy points? Regards Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffe Posted January 1, 2002 Author Share Posted January 1, 2002 Ummmm, no. I really respect Italians in WW2, troop wise and vehicle wise. Their ligt vehicles along with their anti tank rifles will be a formidable force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulletproofest Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 nothing racist or anything, but let me point something out, Italian army invaded Africa, failed, Hitler bails them out, invade Russia, fail, Hitler bails em' out, invade Greece, and get kicked out by a puny resistance faction, and Hitler bails Muccilenie or whatever the hell his name is out. Can someone point out that what the problem was for the Italian army at that time? P.S. I don't mean anything against Italy, just curious.We coo' :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by bulletproofest: nothing racist or anything, but let me point something out, Italian army invaded Africa, failed, Hitler bails them out, invade Russia, fail, Hitler bails em' out, invade Greece, and get kicked out by a puny resistance faction, and Hitler bails Muccilenie or whatever the hell his name is out. Can someone point out that what the problem was for the Italian army at that time? P.S. I don't mean anything against Italy, just curious.We coo' :cool: They didn't take to their dictator quite as well as the Germans took to theirs. I personally think that their hearts weren't into it. Gyrene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Actually Germany invaded Russia and failed, and then Italy tried to bail them out but that attempt failed too!! I've seen the L6 - very nice it is too. I believe the little MG carrier (l.33 or something??) will be in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobear Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Luftwaffe: I sure hope so... The vehicle list is FAT, so these should be in there somewhere.Shouldn't that be "phat"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liebchen Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 They didn't take to their dictator quite as well as the Germans took to theirs. I personally think that their hearts weren't into it. In a nutshell... Well said. Most Italian soldiers didn't give a rat's behind about Ethiopia or Greece. Detractors of Italian fighting prowess should not forget that one of the world's largest empires - ever - was created by fighting men from that same place. (I liked the part about the Italians bailing the Germans out in Russia...) BTW, I am not Italian, not even a fraction. I just think that fair is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulletproofest Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Why didn't the soldiers just assasinate Mucillienie in his sleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Another large problem was how the Officer class and enlisted were treated. To be short, the Officers were treated very well, while in turn treated those who they were to lead, like dogs. So in short the leadership were very poor motivators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Who is this Mussillieni fellow anyway?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by bulletproofest: Why didn't the soldiers just assasinate Mucillienie in his sleep?Because when they came to the hotel he was staying at and looked that name up at the front desk, he wasn't listed? Madmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Gyrene: They didn't take to their dictator quite as well as the Germans took to theirs. I personally think that their hearts weren't into it.Personally, I think the Italian soldier was perhaps the sanest of the whole war. By and large he had more sense than his leaders anyway. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulletproofest Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 real funny madmatt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potential Italian Player Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 The italian secret weapon on the eastern front was the horse .... yes horse vs T-34. Here there are two scenario descriptions from Talonsoft East Front: 18 july 1942 Krasny Luch, 120km E of Stalino In early 1942 Hitler requested that the Italians expanded their expeditionary force in the Soviet Union and by July Mussolini had nearly 227,000 men serving on the Eastern Front in the Eighth Army. Following the failure of Stalin's spring offensive at Kharkov, on June 28th, the Germans launched their planned attack toward Stalingrad and into the Caucasus, known as Case Blau. Relegated to a secondary role, the Italians began to move on July 11th, mopping up Russian rearguards and by-passed units behind the German spearheads. The Soviet 274th Rifle Division had been badly mauled in the fighting south of Kharkov and was unable to retreat in the face of the German assault. Instead the determined Russian troops dug-in at Krasny Luch, west of Severdlovsk, and prepared to fightto the death rather than surrender. The task of clearing the town fell to the Bersaglieri and Cavalry of the Italian 3rd Celere Division. 24 August, 1942 Yagodny, 170km NW of Stalingrad While summer wore on the Italian 8th Army was beginning to settle into defensive positions along the Don River, north of Stalingrad, protecting the Axis flank and freeing German divisions for operations at Stalingrad and in the Caucasus. By mid-August the lines were not fully defended and the Soviets saw their chance. For three days, the Italians withstood attack by hordes of Russian infantry. On the 24th the 3rd Rapid Division counterattacked between Yagodny and Chebotarevsky south of the Don River. As the two formations clashed the 47th Bersaglieri Motorcycle Battalion was threatened with being cut-off and destroyed by elements of the Soviet 812th Rifle Regiment. Colonel Bettoni, commanding the 3rd Savoia Cavalry Regiment, eagerly received instructions to charge the enemy! While other motorized units struggled to reach the trapped battalion, the cavalrymen began what would become their Final Hurrah. The last Italian cavalry charge in history! Brave men without hope who fought to satisfy the ambitions of a small man called Mussolini. Of 229.000 men sent in Russia, 29.690 were repatriated because wounded or frozen. Of remainder, the survivors were only 114.485. The missing in action were 84.830 men of which 10.030 were returned from the USSR. The total of the losses assembled 74.800 men. The 8th army on the eastern front: Infantry Divisions: Infantry division Cosseria Semi-Motorized division Pasubio Infantry division Ravenna Infantry division Sforzesca Motorized division Torino Infantry division Vicenza Alpine Divisions: Alpine division Tridentina Alpine division Julia Alpine division Cuneense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulletproofest Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 weren't we talking about Itlaian vehicles? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Panzer Boxb Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Yeah, I can't wait to see some of those vehicles with bright red paint jobs and Ferrari symbols on the side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hofbauer Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Potential Italian Player: Brave men without hope who fought to satisfy the ambitions of a small man called Mussolini.Mucillienie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by M Hofbauer: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Potential Italian Player: Brave men without hope who fought to satisfy the ambitions of a small man called Mussolini.Mucillienie.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by bulletproofest: weren't we talking about Itlaian vehicles? :confused: You mean those with 5 gears: 1 ahead and 4 reverse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SnarkerII Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 As to Italian vehicles: BFC requested model pics for the contest, I remember reading Italian equipment will be included. Exactly what only BFC knows. As to the Italian fighting spirit: I've had contact with Italian vets, as they are relatives. In short, they gave a rat's a$$ about Mussolini and his support of the German Fascist state and the lackluster fighting on their behalf shows that. The Italians had no problem with fighting any way they could to kick the Germans out of Italy. Probably shocked the Germans, LOL. Incidentally "The History of Fascism" spells out the differences between the German implementation of fascism and the Italian. A good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen-x87H Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Incidentally "The History of Fascism" spells out the differences between the German implementation of fascism and the Italian. A good read" Very true. The Germans used an off shoot called Nazism Gen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinz Eugen Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Luftwaffe: Ummmm, no. I really respect Italians in WW2, troop wise and vehicle wise. Their ligt vehicles along with their anti tank rifles will be a formidable force Yea, right. Tell that again with a square face. Wherever they went they got a gooood ol' spanking. What did they do in tha Balkans just before Barbarossa? Got a spanking, and the Germans had to go to the rescue, delaying the assault with known consequences...The weather beat Germans in the race to Moscow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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