Tankgunner Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 StugIII (late) have 2MGs: remote and coaxial I wonder how that jerries managed to install coax MG-42 in that vehicle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britfish Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 It appears that they did... From Achtung Panzer: During the production, modifications were made to Ausf G. They included introduction of 80mm cast Saukopf (also known as Topfblende) mantlet in February of 1944; the coaxial MG in early 1944, installation of Nahverteidigungswaffe (90mm NbK 39 close-in defense weapon) and roof mounted remote controlled MG (Rundum Feuer) in late spring of 1944. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankgunner Posted November 27, 2002 Author Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by britfish: It appears that they did... From Achtung Panzer: During the production, modifications were made to Ausf G. They included introduction of 80mm cast Saukopf (also known as Topfblende) mantlet in February of 1944; the coaxial MG in early 1944, installation of Nahverteidigungswaffe (90mm NbK 39 close-in defense weapon) and roof mounted remote controlled MG (Rundum Feuer) in late spring of 1944.Hmmm...interesting. Anyone have a picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 I used to wonder about this too. Read about it, but never saw a picture. One day I went to the Panzermuseum and saw the real deal. The picture (137k) is here: http://www.custermen.net/misc/stugIII.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick614 Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 I have a question. Is the glass in the slit simply armored glass or is it the lens of a periscope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 If you are referring to the glass in the driver's viewing port on the left side of the vehicle, that's most likely armored glass. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick614 Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Michael I was just thinking if it is a periscope the lens could be in some type of armored box inside incase a round would come thru the slit to maybe keep it out of the interior. That would mean the driver would be sitting quite a bit lower and I suppose with the already low profile that would be impossible. It would have been un-nerving to sit there looking thru a little piece of glass when the bullets were flying. What typically would that glass be able to stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 The glass in front of the driver is a straight glass block, not a periscope (same goes for PzIII, PzIV, Tiger I). The removable glass block is quite hefty looking and should at least stop splinters (and a maybe few rifle rounds?), but not much more. That's why the big armored visor's there to protect the opening. I believe the commander's cupola on PzIII and PzIV has glass blocks and moveable shutters as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Can't say for sure what the resistance level of the armored block is, but it couldn't have been all that much since they were apparently prone to damage and replaced often. Back to the original theme somewhat.... The error of CM is not that the StuG has the coax, but that both the coax and external mount can be fired while buttoned. This was discussed in relation to CMBO a long time ago. Since buttond/unbuttoned status is an all or nothing affair, there was no middle ground for one crew member exposed using the MG behind the shield. It's not that bad of an abstraction, especially as the StuG carries so little MG ammo as compared to say a Pz IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by RMC: Can't say for sure what the resistance level of the armored block is, but it couldn't have been all that much since they were apparently prone to damage and replaced often. Back to the original theme somewhat.... The error of CM is not that the StuG has the coax, but that both the coax and external mount can be fired while buttoned. This was discussed in relation to CMBO a long time ago. Since buttond/unbuttoned status is an all or nothing affair, there was no middle ground for one crew member exposed using the MG behind the shield. It's not that bad of an abstraction, especially as the StuG carries so little MG ammo as compared to say a Pz IV.Err the External mount or Rundumfeur MG (field trials April 1944), was desgined to be fired from inside/buttoned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Oops. My fuzzy memory in action. It wasn't the G (late) that was the issue, it was the regular G that was coded to have 2 coax MGs where one was an abstraction for the gun shield. http://www.battlefront.com/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=001388 This was from the demo time frame and CMBO. CMBB seems to have fixed all of that as there are now 5 versions of the StuG III G; DX, LX, EX, EX Sport and EX-L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Dont forget the Stug III Turbo Now im waiting for the Stug III Cabrio !! Monty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by Tankgunner: StugIII (late) have 2MGs: remote and coaxial I wonder how that jerries managed to install coax MG-42 in that vehicle...I think the Germans used the MG38 in all of their tanks & armor because the round barrel fit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgdpzr Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by Pak40: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tankgunner: StugIII (late) have 2MGs: remote and coaxial I wonder how that jerries managed to install coax MG-42 in that vehicle...I think the Germans used the MG38 in all of their tanks & armor because the round barrel fit better.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Yeah. Along with the odd Jgdpz IV, there is the Panther D that had the flap for an MG. After the Pz III, IV and VI had all been fielded with ball mounts here comes the panther with a flap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Eh? I thought the D never had a hull gun. Did I miss something? :confused: Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 This site has a description of the D model. In the text it refers to the MG port in the glacis. http://www.geocities.com/desertfox1891/pzpanther/pzpanther.htm This is a close-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Steiner Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Originally posted by RMC: Can't say for sure what the resistance level of the armored block is, but it couldn't have been all that much since they were apparently prone to damage and replaced often. Just got the video Panzers-Marsch!, and part of it is a training film for Panther crews. The tank commander is shown replacing damaged vision blocks in the commander's cupola, so it must indeed have been a very common occurrence. Awesome video BTW, in addition to the Panther training film, there is a second one for 251 half-tracks, and some great footage of Tigers at Kursk.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 The StuG III error that irritates me the most is the lack of the 44 rounds of main gun ammo typically piled on the floor when going to combat (according to some large guy at Aberdeen PG lecturing in the series "Tanks" on Discovery Channel). This increase the ammo load from 46 to 90 rounds. Cheers Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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