antawar Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I just played a scenario I designed myself.. a company of A-10s against a company of M-13/40. The best result that the allies had was a tactical defeat where they lost all their tanks and the italians had only 5 left with two gun damaged. I played it many times and the results were always in the italian's favor. The big difference is the behind-armor effect of the 47m gun installed on the italian tanks. Most of the time, they only need 1 hit to disable (and even put on fire) a british tank. The british need 3/4 penetrating hits before disabling an italian tank. The two pounder is really puny as far as killing power is concerned. I also tried the 75mm AA gun that the italian have. Two of those guns accounted for 16 Mathilda II tanks destroyed, many brewed up. I replayed my test scenario (featuring a bataillon sized attack from the british) 3 times and every time the 75mm rules the mathildas. Need to kill Mathildas as the italian player, pick a 75mm AA(one got 14 kills in the first replay). I'm awaiting your comments. Good night 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I've noticed that Cruisers have a higher ROF and quicker response to threats, because it doesn't have a 2-man turret like M-13. This causes that the Cruiser usually gets the first hit, then the M-13 panicks and dies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aysi Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 played a few games with and against these and i would rather be in the cruisers, they target and fire faster and seem to live longer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisbech_lad Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 aysi... uberlurker, registered since May 2002, first port! Agree. A10/A13 static head to head against M13/40 will lose as likely as not. But if the fight is mobile, the Cruisers have the edge, those turrets swing fast... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Have to agree with antawar. So far, it's been my experience that the M13/40 can take a few hits from a 2pdr and keep on ticking --- but the early Cruisers (up to the A13), are usually put out of action after one hit from a 47mm. Going hull-down with a Cruiser only makes it worse: If you don't get KO'd out-right, you'll usually end up with a Gun Damaged or Shocked result. Pheasant Plucker put out his own Beda Fomm scenario a little while back. I recommend it as a good testing ground for the M13 vs Cruiser argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beta1 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 And the M13/40s have HE for tkaing on infantry. Still I think I would still rather have the cruiser. I love those 2 tone sand/blue camo schemes... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 [slap] okay Wisbech-lad [slap] back, back I say, there is the madmatt special rule number 49 ya know. "After two years lurkers are deemed unredeemable" [slap] so back you go to lurkdom. Actually I rather like the Italian tanks, you can win a fight with them and they have good MGs against infantry - plus if you lose you have a valid excuse! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 [slap] okay Wisbech-lad [slap] back, back I say, there is the madmatt special rule number 49 ya know. "After two years lurkers are deemed unredeemable" [slap] so back you go to lurkdom. Actually I rather like the Italian tanks, you can win a fight with them and they have good MGs against infantry - plus if you lose you have a valid excuse! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Paulus Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Don't forget that most of those kind of fight were at long range -500/1300m-; and British superiority was clear in that case, combined with the difference of training and experience ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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