jgawne Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 I have to say the AK demo is much more impressive than I had thought. Great stuff. But I was disapointed to not see the US rifle grenades. Maybe they weren't that much, but they were essentially the same warhead as a bazooka, and could be used to great effect as 'door knockers' in towns. Maybe I missed something, bbut they did provide a decent margin of close AT weapondry for the PBI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 They are included. If you select a US unit, then "enter" you will see - the troops in Line of Defence definitely have them. They are also visible as an icon on the unit interface, below the hand grenades. [ November 28, 2003, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: Michael Dorosh ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 As for being the same warhead as the bazooka, they were very prominent in CMBO as tank killers; time will tell if they have been modelled similarly in CMAK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 [ December 27, 2003, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: Michael Dorosh ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 But I was disapointed to not see the US rifle grenades. Maybe they weren't that much, but they were essentially the same warhead as a bazooka, and could be used to great effect as 'door knockers' in towns. Something i don't understand: why did they bother with the bazooka while the rifle grenade were essentially the same warhead. Or is "essentially the same" not "the same" if you know what i mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 It is much more difficult to hit anything with the rifle grenade. I am not so sure it's the same warhead but I'm too lazy to get a book. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 I'm a bit sceptical about them having the same - or similar - warhead. Could someone dig up penetration values? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Shirt Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 This link might be of some help. http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/grndrifl.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Originally posted by 1st Shirt: This link might be of some help. http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/grndrifl.htm Another example of dedicated rifle grenades was the M9/M9A1 HEAT anti-tank grenade. The M9 weighed about 1.3 pounds, contained a shaped charge similar to the bazooka AT rocket, could penetrate 3 to 4 inches of armor, and had a maximum effective range of 250 yards (probable effectiveness about 100 yards). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Thanks didn't know that! Lucky americans: bazookas, rifle grenade, (British) PIAT the ruskies could have used some of that instead of the atr! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Originally posted by stikkypixie: Thanks didn't know that! Lucky americans: bazookas, rifle grenade, (British) PIAT the ruskies could have used some of that instead of the atr! What, every Soviet squad was armed with the most devastating AT weapon of the eastern front: MOLOTOV COCKTAILS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Well, the British weren't so lucky til about the middle of 1943, they kept using the Boys ATR til then, too, though they did have some concoctions that made the Molotov look good, ie gammon bombs, Hawkin mines, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photon Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 ie gammon bombs, Hawkin mines, etc. [/QB]Are these in the game? I played a game last night with '44 pattern British Airborne and they had no such thing. Do they only appear in '45? Now I'm gonna have to go check... There's something deeply satisfying in the game about taking out enemy heavy armor with only hand held AT and close assaults... - b. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Originally posted by photon: Are these in the game? I played a game last night with '44 pattern British Airborne and they had no such thing. Do they only appear in '45? Now I'm gonna have to go check...The way I recall it, the yankee/brit paratroopers in CM:BO had gammon bombs, similar in effect to satchel charges. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 A bit off topic. Originally posted by redwolf: It is much more difficult to hit anything with the rifle grenade. Which is exactly why i thought it was BS when in BoB they took out that MG team on the roof with one shot from a rifle grenade. Originally posted by photon: There's something deeply satisfying in the game about taking out enemy heavy armor with only hand held AT and close assaults... - b. I concur 100%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Shirt Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by Bone_Vulture: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1st Shirt: This link might be of some help. http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/grndrifl.htm Another example of dedicated rifle grenades was the M9/M9A1 HEAT anti-tank grenade. The M9 weighed about 1.3 pounds, contained a shaped charge similar to the bazooka AT rocket, could penetrate 3 to 4 inches of armor, and had a maximum effective range of 250 yards (probable effectiveness about 100 yards).</font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Shirt Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 It is much more difficult to hit anything with the rifle grenade. Which is exactly why i thought it was BS when in BoB they took out that MG team on the roof with one shot from a rifle grenade. Redwolf and MeatEtr: Either of you gents ever actually fire a rifle grenade or see first hand the effects of a grenade exploding? For myself, my answers are yes and yes... [ December 27, 2003, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: 1st Shirt ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Were they widely available these HEAT rifle grenade if you don't mind me calling them that, or were they rarer than the maus... Originally posted by photon: There's something deeply satisfying in the game about taking out enemy heavy armor with only hand held AT and close assaults... And the molotov gave the biggest rush of them all, maybe that's why the ruskies stuck with them, after all these were the people who gave name to a twisted and deeply disturbing version of roulette . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by 1st Shirt: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />It is much more difficult to hit anything with the rifle grenade. Which is exactly why i thought it was BS when in BoB they took out that MG team on the roof with one shot from a rifle grenade. Redwolf and MeatEtr: Either of you gents ever actually fire a rifle grenade or see first hand the effects of a grenade exploding? For myself, my answers are yes and yes... </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Rifle Grenade M9A1: base weight 0.59 kg, warhead 0.113 kg. This should be the heat grenade. Penetration listen 100mm Bazooka round: 1.54 kg base weight (which includes the rocket motor. Penetration listed 120mm. Source: Bishop's weapons of WW2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by 1st Shirt: Redwolf and MeatEtr: Either of you gents ever actually fire a rifle grenade or see first hand the effects of a grenade exploding? For myself, my answers are yes and yes... So....are you saying its easy or common that one could hit a target the size of 2 men at say around 100 yards away and about 3 stories high on a roof with a rifle grenade in 1 shot? (judging from the BoB scene) Grant it, i know the shot doesn't have to be perfect since a grenade exploding just has to be relatively close. But in BoB his shot was just too perfect and i don't buy it. I categorize that in the BS cabinet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by 1st Shirt: Question is, which does CM:AK model; the HEAT version as described above or the standard issue hand grenade. Based on my observations (i.e; Ami rifle grenades in CMAK are used like panzerfaust rounds), I'd say the HEAT version. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Shirt Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by redwolf: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1st Shirt: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />It is much more difficult to hit anything with the rifle grenade. Which is exactly why i thought it was BS when in BoB they took out that MG team on the roof with one shot from a rifle grenade. Redwolf and MeatEtr: Either of you gents ever actually fire a rifle grenade or see first hand the effects of a grenade exploding? For myself, my answers are yes and yes... </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Shirt Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by MeatEtr: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1st Shirt: Redwolf and MeatEtr: Either of you gents ever actually fire a rifle grenade or see first hand the effects of a grenade exploding? For myself, my answers are yes and yes... So....are you saying its easy or common that one could hit a target the size of 2 men at say around 100 yards away and about 3 stories high on a roof with a rifle grenade in 1 shot? (judging from the BoB scene) Grant it, i know the shot doesn't have to be perfect since a grenade exploding just has to be relatively close. But in BoB his shot was just too perfect and i don't buy it. I categorize that in the BS cabinet. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Shirt Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Originally posted by von Lucke: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1st Shirt: Question is, which does CM:AK model; the HEAT version as described above or the standard issue hand grenade. Based on my observations (i.e; Ami rifle grenades in CMAK are used like panzerfaust rounds), I'd say the HEAT version. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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