KursruK Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 For blind recon missions, I'm still toggling between "fast" and "move-to-contact" with these guys. "fast" is good because it makes the vehicle difficult to hit, but it tends to go "too far in" and usually dies regardless. "move-to-contact" works well, but once the AT gun or tank opens up on it, it stops and retreats. unfortunatly when it stops it makes an easy target and it also dies quickly. What other tactics have ye grogs found successful with these guy? I realize a good scout is a dead scout, but what ideas do you have to improve this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauCoupDinkyDau Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Button up your tanks and send them in first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauCoupDinkyDau Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 . . .and in reverse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KursruK Posted January 30, 2003 Author Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Vader's Jester: . . .and in reverse. What kind of bullsh*t is that. . . . Herr Troll? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauCoupDinkyDau Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 lol I use the fast command most of the time. I have the unit do fast, short hops to cover positions. I find they die quickly with 'move to death-- er, contact.' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by tigger: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Vader's Jester: . . .and in reverse. What kind of bullsh*t is that. . . . Herr Troll? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpkr Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 I think he was being silly, particularly after the first response to your thread. You of course should not send your tanks in buttoned up and in reverse. Frankly, you should avoid scouting with vehicles in general. Use your infantry, unless, of course, you ahve a compelling reason not to. Given EFOW, it is quite likely a scout car would be plugged by an AT gun without ever spotting his attacker anyway. Infantry is far more durable. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by tigger: For blind recon missions, I'm still toggling between "fast" and "move-to-contact" with these guys. "fast" is good because it makes the vehicle difficult to hit, but it tends to go "too far in" and usually dies regardless. "move-to-contact" works well, but once the AT gun or tank opens up on it, it stops and retreats. unfortunatly when it stops it makes an easy target and it also dies quickly. What other tactics have ye grogs found successful with these guy? I realize a good scout is a dead scout, but what ideas do you have to improve this? My light recce vehicles in CM:BB generally adopt the method of advancing until they are hit, then marking their own position with smoke (and indeed flames). Real Life recce vehicle tactics are somewhat applicable in CM -- have friendly cars covering your forward bounds, and make most of the bound at top speed but "creep" carefully into your final position from which you will cover your pal's next bound. Your mix of Fast and Advance to contact is probably the nearest one can get to this in the game. One big aspect of mounted recce that can't well be shown in CM:BB as it stands is that much so-called "mounted" recce is in fact conducted on foot. I think it would be nice if specialist recce vehicles had the ability to dismount their commander so that he could snurgle through the bushes at crucial moments, the vehicle suffering the usual penalties of being without a commander for the duration of his absence. It might also be good to have recce vehicles with their own version of the "sneak" command for the final creep into cover. One thing you might experiment with is mixing into your recce group a carrier or M3 scout car with a sharpshooter or two to perform dismounted recce. All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauCoupDinkyDau Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 My light recce vehicles in CM:BB generally adopt the method of advancing until they are hit, then marking their own position with smoke (and indeed flames). ROTFL!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KursruK Posted January 30, 2003 Author Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Soddball: He was joking. [/QB]Forgive my lack on telepathy, you have to admit there is a lot of trolling that goes on in here. Yes of course infantry are always the best scouts, but there are circumstances when you don't have the time luxery to scout with infantry and react appropriatly. I only buy mobile recon when I'm pressed for time. They can speed up the scouting process. So with that in mind in the question remains. "fast" from tree patch to tree patch has thus far been most effective, but as someone pointed out, you often die before you get any important info. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by John D Salt: One big aspect of mounted recce that can't well be shown in CM:BB as it stands is that much so-called "mounted" recce is in fact conducted on foot. I think it would be nice if specialist recce vehicles had the ability to dismount their commander so that he could snurgle through the bushes at crucial moments, the vehicle suffering the usual penalties of being without a commander for the duration of his absence. It might also be good to have recce vehicles with their own version of the "sneak" command for the final creep into cover. Is 'snurgle' a technical grog term? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by John D Salt: One thing you might experiment with is mixing into your recce group a carrier or M3 scout car with a sharpshooter or two to perform dismounted recce.John has it. Any further questions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by tigger: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soddball: He was joking. Forgive my lack on telepathy, you have to admit there is a lot of trolling that goes on in here. Yes of course infantry are always the best scouts, but there are circumstances when you don't have the time luxery to scout with infantry and react appropriatly. I only buy mobile recon when I'm pressed for time. They can speed up the scouting process. So with that in mind in the question remains. "fast" from tree patch to tree patch has thus far been most effective, but as someone pointed out, you often die before you get any important info. [/QB]</font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KursruK Posted January 30, 2003 Author Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Soddball: The key is what level of Fog of War you're on. On Extreme Fog of War, you can be pretty sure you won't spot hidden units, and pillboxes/AT guns/ etc will disappear within a few seconds of being spotted. Under these circumstances, a recon platoon or two, with several veteran or crack sharpshooters, will offer you good recon opportunity. The best means of moving them is probably a halftrack. Don't count on recon 'vehicles' to do the actual reconnaisance for you. Always rely on foot soldiers.[/QB]It's an interesting idea, albeit risky. A crack sharpshooter is a powerful scouting tool, but putting it in a vehicle makes it an easy target. The idea is good, but it makes me a bit nervous. One "key-hole" sight from an AT gun and you lose the vehicle and the sharpshooter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by tigger: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soddball: The key is what level of Fog of War you're on. On Extreme Fog of War, you can be pretty sure you won't spot hidden units, and pillboxes/AT guns/ etc will disappear within a few seconds of being spotted. Under these circumstances, a recon platoon or two, with several veteran or crack sharpshooters, will offer you good recon opportunity. The best means of moving them is probably a halftrack. Don't count on recon 'vehicles' to do the actual reconnaisance for you. Always rely on foot soldiers.It's an interesting idea, albeit risky. A crack sharpshooter is a powerful scouting tool, but putting it in a vehicle makes it an easy target. The idea is good, but it makes me a bit nervous. One "key-hole" sight from an AT gun and you lose the vehicle and the sharpshooter. [/QB]</font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KursruK Posted January 30, 2003 Author Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Soddball: Often the passengers can leap clear from the stricken vehicle without injury. [/QB]That's true, but with squads you always take at least some casualties, and the survivors are usually rattled (just depends on what hit you, and if small arms fire opens up on you as well). I've never tried this with a sharpshooter, but you only have one man lose! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by tigger: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soddball: Often the passengers can leap clear from the stricken vehicle without injury. That's true, but with squads you always take at least some casualties, and the survivors are usually rattled (just depends on what hit you, and if small arms fire opens up on you as well). I've never tried this with a sharpshooter, but you only have one man lose! [/QB]</font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauCoupDinkyDau Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 tigger, As you now know, I am not a troll. I am a Hobbit fer god sakes! Seirously though, if you attack trolls in such a manner, then you become no better than them. I know this from experience. I have fought several, and it is just best to let them keep to their sad, zit infested, girlfriend-less lives. Thus, I mainly ignore them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KursruK Posted January 30, 2003 Author Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Vader's Jester: tigger, As you now know, I am not a troll. I am a Hobbit fer god sakes! You have my apologies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Vader's Jester: tigger, As you now know, I am not a troll. I am a Hobbit fer god sakes! Seirously though, if you attack trolls in such a manner, then you become no better than them. I know this from experience. I have fought several, and it is just best to let them keep to their sad, zit infested, girlfriend-less lives. Thus, I mainly ignore them. Who's scruffy looking? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Soddball: [snips] Don't count on recon 'vehicles' to do the actual reconnaisance for you. Always rely on foot soldiers. "Vehicles don't do recce, people do recce, and sometimes they ride in vehicles to do it." I may not have reported his words exactly, but I believe that something very like that was said by a British Army Colonel who had been in charge of a good deal of the armoured recce effort in Bosnia. I think Soddball's Principle Of Recce matches it very well. All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Soddball: [snips] Is 'snurgle' a technical grog term? Sort of. It's one of those curious items of Royal Marines' slang for different movement modes, which AFAIK go as follows: Yomping -- long moves out of contact, often over difficult terrain. Bimbling -- normal tactical movement. Snurgling -- "sneaky beaky" tactical movement making maximum use of cover. Dismounted advance or attack operations in CM will often be seen to fall clearly into yomp, bimble and snurgle phases as the attackers get closer to the enemy. All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by John D Salt: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soddball: [snips] Is 'snurgle' a technical grog term? Sort of. It's one of those curious items of Royal Marines' slang for different movement modes, which AFAIK go as follows: Yomping -- long moves out of contact, often over difficult terrain. Bimbling -- normal tactical movement. Snurgling -- "sneaky beaky" tactical movement making maximum use of cover. Dismounted advance or attack operations in CM will often be seen to fall clearly into yomp, bimble and snurgle phases as the attackers get closer to the enemy. All the best, John. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 I yomped with an RA unit here in Hohenfels, there seemed to be a lot of beer involved although I don't remember it very well. Then again any time I trained with the Brits there seemed to be a lot of beer involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer76 Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Recon?! Do as I do with them in a current PBEM, attack with them. Cought the opponents infantery with his trousers down. The chaos that ensued was more valuable for me than casualties inflicted. Valuable minutes lost for him, gained for me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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