Dr. Rosenrosen Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hi, I'm currently getting creamed in a CMAK PBEM game. I wonder what's the best way to minimize my defeat at the end of the game. Here's the situation: I have about a platoon of healthy infantry reserves left. I have no hope of getting the flag and if I try to do anything with them, they'll be slaughtered. Should I send them into combat and hope to take a few enemies out in a blaze of glory? That way I'll get the casualty points for the kills, although he would then get the points for wiping me out as well. I thought that this might be preferable to a surrender where he would get points for taking all those prisoners. (Am I correct that you get more points for taking a prisoner than inflicting a casualty?) In other words, should you only surrender when you have as few men as possible to take prisoner, or is it best to minimize your losses and surrender when it is clear that there is no hope? Do end of game prisoners count the same as prisoners taken during the game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpig Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 CEase FIRE. Ask your opponent for a CEASE-fire. If he doesn't accept, try and have fun saving your men by executing a tactical withdrawl. Never Surrender. Sorry, I do not know the answers to the point-costs for prisoners, but I assume they'd be the same (taken in game vs end game). Good luck. Gpig 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Prisoners count the same regardless, so practice withdrawing as much in good order as you can. Hitting the Surrender key is strongly discouraged in tournaments for this very reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Try and get them out of the bad situation. The enemy gets no points if you withdraw off the map. Surrender is for when there's no chance of getting them out. IMHO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rosenrosen Posted May 5, 2005 Author Share Posted May 5, 2005 So it's better for me to move my units off the map until a cease fire is forced? I know that my opponent won't accept a cease fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rosenrosen Posted May 5, 2005 Author Share Posted May 5, 2005 To restate my above question: If I march all of my able men off the map, will the game end automatically even if he doesn't agree to a cease fire and the turn limit isn't reached? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 If he had any class he would accept the cease fire, You are admiting defeat by offering a cease fire, the only time that a game like this should be played out is if your in a tournament and scores are required to determine ratings and outcomes with other players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 There is the spectre of auto-surrender so try to get your men off map in the same turn. I cannot really comment on it as I have never played to that level - either a ceasefire , or when I was green a surrender. However surrender is a little too wimpy really, make him play for the end or agree a ceasefire. Players when they know they have won can become casual and use knackered troops to mop you up, and your few remaining men could cause some worthwhile casualties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 If you are playing a scenario not a QB, the designer may have given you extra points to even out an unbalanced game. If you play to the end you may win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 As you withdraw men, your global morale will drop, and this should trigger an autosurrender. So, it is crucial that you try and exit all the units in one or two turns so some don't get caught in the autosurrender. I didn't say it would be easy. Originally posted by Dr. Rosenrosen: To restate my above question: If I march all of my able men off the map, will the game end automatically even if he doesn't agree to a cease fire and the turn limit isn't reached? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon988 Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Yep. Withdraw from the map and save as many men as you can. You should only surrender when you're -really- screwed... like cut off, encircled, etc etc... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Originally posted by Falcon988: Yep. Withdraw from the map and save as many men as you can. You should only surrender when you're -really- screwed... like cut off, encircled, etc etc... You should take your own advice..mi amigo. Deep in your heart....you know I'm right 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolman Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Every opponent will accept a ceasefire when he has enough VP points ! In your situation I would tell him that I´m not going to do anything than pushing the "go" button. So why he should not accept it when nothing is going to happen anymore ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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