Biltong Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Gentlemen, I have started collecting parameters for the BCR Campaign ‘42 South’ and I need some generalized information re weather from 1 Jan 1942 to 31 Dec 1942 on the ‘South’ front. If you have any info, it would be much appreciated. Even if your info is vague or unsubstantiated it could still be used to ‘confirm’ other vague info. If you know of any internet-sources, please let me know as well. I’ve spent days going through battle reports, but the weather info is very sketchy. I need to know when: Blizzards come to an end Extreme cold (-20 deg C) came to an end Snowfalls ended Snow melted and started causing transport problems Snow slush dried up Rains started Mud started Mud dried up Extremely hot weather started Hot weather ended Snow started Extreme cold started Blizzards started Much appreciated. Biltong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Gee, I know there's all kinds on this forum, but meteorological anthropologists? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 No, no now we got weather grogs. I've seen debates over which way the wind blows and so forth. They'll be along shortly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biltong Posted January 17, 2003 Author Share Posted January 17, 2003 Originally posted by MikeyD: Gee, I know there's all kinds on this forum, but meteorological anthropologists? You'll be surprised - wait & see... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortlund Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hrm, you DO know that the "south front" in 42 stretched roughly from Charkow to Astrakhan? Good luck finding any coherent weather patterns there. Even if you are asking for the weather at the front, you will have to decide what front we are talking about...Sevastopol? Stalingrad? Voronezh? Charkow? Maikop? Rostov? I think the first thing you should do is decide where the campaign player will go. You'll have to decide that "ok, in January-March he is around Charkow, then in June-August, Voronezh-Stalingrad (or Rostov -> Caucasus) area, then in September-December Stalingrad." It will be hopeless to try to get some weather modifiers for a specific month that would apply to the entire southern front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biltong Posted January 18, 2003 Author Share Posted January 18, 2003 Originally posted by Leutnant Hortlund: Hrm, you DO know that the "south front" in 42 stretched roughly from Charkow to Astrakhan? Good luck finding any coherent weather patterns there. Even if you are asking for the weather at the front, you will have to decide what front we are talking about...Sevastopol? Stalingrad? Voronezh? Charkow? Maikop? Rostov? I think the first thing you should do is decide where the campaign player will go. You'll have to decide that "ok, in January-March he is around Charkow, then in June-August, Voronezh-Stalingrad (or Rostov -> Caucasus) area, then in September-December Stalingrad." It will be hopeless to try to get some weather modifiers for a specific month that would apply to the entire southern front.I know, I know, Lt - I've got no choice though... I need generalized parameters. I've already split the campaign into 3: South/Central/North to cater for terrain/weather/etc differences... That is 3 x 5 'years' = 15 campaigns. Can't split it any more or it will become too long. So - 'generalized' is the word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Oberst Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Originally posted by Biltong: Gentlemen, I have started collecting parameters for the BCR Campaign ‘42 South’ and I need some generalized information re weather from 1 Jan 1942 to 31 Dec 1942 on the ‘South’ front. If you have any info, it would be much appreciated. Even if your info is vague or unsubstantiated it could still be used to ‘confirm’ other vague info. If you know of any internet-sources, please let me know as well. I’ve spent days going through battle reports, but the weather info is very sketchy. I need to know when: Blizzards come to an end Extreme cold (-20 deg C) came to an end Snowfalls ended Snow melted and started causing transport problems Snow slush dried up Rains started Mud started Mud dried up Extremely hot weather started Hot weather ended Snow started Extreme cold started Blizzards started Much appreciated. BiltongRank amateurs... Blizzards come to an end when they have finally depleted their store of moisture and have nothing left to deposit on the ground, or when your neighborhood Dairy Queen has run out of ice cream or the treats they mix inside them... or when you have successfully wolfed down your last spoonful. [ January 17, 2003, 06:23 PM: Message edited by: Herr Oberst ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biltong Posted January 18, 2003 Author Share Posted January 18, 2003 Originally posted by Herr Oberst: Blizzards come to an end when they have finally depleted their store of moisture and have nothing left to deposit on the ground, or when your neighborhood Dairy Queen has run out of ice cream or the treats they mix inside them... or when you have successfully wolfed down your last spoonful.Ahhh - you nice americans. So stupid of me not to know what happens in your nice suburbs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 just make it up as u go along as long. So long as its nealry right who will know the difference. Use this years weather forcast so long as its nearly right what difference does it make. (then watch and see all the grogs come out in droves moaning and complaining that its not realistic) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl60 Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Is there any chance that there may be a site on-line that may have archived weather data from that period? Perhaps there is a Russian weather site around that might have that data. Darryl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biltong Posted January 19, 2003 Author Share Posted January 19, 2003 Originally posted by Bullitt: just make it up as u go along as long. So long as its nealry right who will know the difference. Use this years weather forcast so long as its nearly right what difference does it make. (then watch and see all the grogs come out in droves moaning and complaining that its not realistic) Very True!! I think that's exactly what I'm going to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biltong Posted January 19, 2003 Author Share Posted January 19, 2003 Originally posted by Darryl60: Is there any chance that there may be a site on-line that may have archived weather data from that period? Perhaps there is a Russian weather site around that might have that data. DarrylApache pointed me to a Grossdeutschland site that had some weather data specifically for game/scenario designers, but it had only 15% of what I needed... I did multiple searches on various search engines: Got some interesting sites, but hardly any weather data. I think the data will mostly be anecdotal and locked within reports/stories. “Such and such a date, so and so was delayed because 2 tanks got stuck in mud…” etc. That’s why I ask for any bit of info…. If you come across a single piece, eventually we’ll have most of pieces of the puzzle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Watching the weather forcasts here in Europe it seems that the winter in Russia begins June 2 and ends on May 31. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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