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Case: In early 1940 Finns gave the "old" Karelia to Soviets. Civilian population was evacuated. Before the new outbreak of hostilities in mid-1941, not much new population had been deported to these areas. Mostly armed forces and related infrastructure. Especially on a wide NKVD guarded special frontier zone no civilians were permitted to live or move.

This, obviously, leads you to the conclusion that the grain fields in Karelia were not taken care of except possibly in a very small scale. So when you're making a scenario taking place in Karelia in July 1941, you probably wouldn't want to use the large crops of CM. But little I know about it, as though I have worked as a dairy farmer's help one summer and my grandparents were farmers, I myself have no real knowledge about it.

So, if nobody touches otherwise fine fields from spring to the July next year, what will it look like and how to model it in CMBB? Grain, steppe, brush?

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Not an expert, but here is what I would do. Just use Open or Steppe, with a tendency to get very muddy when it is raining. You will get a lot of wild gras seeding itself, but probably not enough to warrant brush as a terrain tile. Grain is not reseeding itself, AFAIK, so there would not be any seeds from last year's harvest in the ground that could come up.

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My sum total of farming knowledge comes simply from the fact that I grew up in Illinois. I sure have seen a lot of fields....

I thought about this one for awhile.

I think fields are re-seeded very early in the spring. So, if the fields were abandoned in the spring, that should have been AFTER seeding the fields for the year. Right? Therefore, I think the crops would have returned, although untended. I would use the grain tile, with some brush mixed in to simulate weedy areas.

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Originally posted by Runyan99:

I think fields are re-seeded very early in the spring. So, if the fields were abandoned in the spring, that should have been AFTER seeding the fields for the year.

No, I meant "untouched starting from spring" (March actually, but since nobody even thinks about touching the fields while there still is snow in them, I thought it wouldn't matter). Withdrawal was in March. Plus that the fields were not seeded the next spring either, so they missed sowing for two years. But thanks anyway, I think I'll use steppe terrain to model fallow.
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For recently in-use fields that haven't been planted, soft-ground might be more accurate. This would be especially true in spring conditions, with a high clay content soils and relatively untouched field. If the soils are more of a higher sand content then the bogging issue wouldn't be as great to big with and would decrease as the weather warmed up much quicker as opposed to high clay content soils. At the height of summer the reverse would be true as the high clay soils would set up like cement while the high sand soils are much more friable (more easily fractured, as opposed to making a solid rock-like structure).

Even in summer the bogging chances would be increased as the soil wouldn't be as compacted as an open, untouched steppe.

Just my $0.02, for all it's worth.

[ December 11, 2003, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: mike_the_wino ]

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Geez, I never dreamed there were so many farmers in this forum! :D

I'm more interested in infantry cover than bogging chance right now, as I'm working on an infantry only scenario. Also in my case the previous plowing would have been in autumn 1939.

So then, how long would you say it would take for a 20x20 square metre fertile soil area to develop into "brush" terrain? Is four summers enough?

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Originally posted by Andreas:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sergei:

So then, how long would you say it would take for a 20x20 square metre fertile soil area to develop into "brush" terrain? Is four summers enough?

Yes, if the surrounding countryside is of the brush type. </font>
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