Are Tigers an exploit?

[Generaloberst Guderian]

Well said.

They were very expensive though, and followed in the fine German tradition of being underpowered. If they'd had more speed then perhaps the Schwere Panzer Abteilungen would've been more than stop-gap defensive formations.

[Bannon DC]

Originally posted by Panzer76:

I don't friggin believe this. Less than 3 weeks after we had the Tiger disussion last time (and we've had it before) it rears it's ugly head again. Please, if you have questions about this, do a search, trust me, it has been answered (well, discussed to death anyway).

Panzer76 -- fortune cookie say "ABC's of happiness -- Avoid Boring Conversations."

I was avoiding this thread until you jumped in. Thanks for the entertainment.

Point is, if you didn't want to discuss the topic, you could have just not read the thread. Too often on this board do I see people trying to stiffle "discussion." Obviouosly people want to engage in chit chat about the topic -- hence three pages of comments. If the subject is boring to you, just avoid it.

Cheers to me mates sitting around chit chatting Tiger talk!

[Code13]

Tigers are expensive, thank god.

But why do they seem to come free with two Panthers?

[Panzer76]

Originally posted by Bannon DC:

I was avoiding this thread until you jumped in. Thanks for the entertainment.

Happy to oblige!

Watch me perform in other threads where I give away free sticks and maps to dead horses

[Bannon DC]

Cheers, Tiger.

[Egbert]

Originally posted by Panzer76:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bannon DC:

I was avoiding this thread until you jumped in. Thanks for the entertainment.

Happy to oblige!

Watch me perform in other threads where I give away free sticks and maps to dead horses </font>

[Bigduke6]

Certainly the Soviet sticks are undermodeled. This is because the designers failed to take into account the fact that Russian stick woods (oak, ash, larch, etc.) are denser than German stick woods. This is because Russian dirt has a high metal content than German dirt, and because Russia had larger forests and so more wood to select sticks from. Admittedly Soviet stick selection was poor at the beginning of the war, but by 1943 Soviet sticks were quite effective at flailing dead horses from the flank at short ranges normally found in combat. My life is much worse for the fact that I can't do that in the game.

[Code13]

rofl

Dont forget as well that later german dead horse armour was of poor quality and prone to flaking when hit by sticks.

I have always found knackers teams to be quite effective at using small pointy sticks from close range though.

[Kubelwagen]

If there ever a tank to be feared,It's the Sturmtiger.

[throwdjohn]

i recently played a qb where i got a ferdinand. WOW. WOOOOOOOOW. im sure IRL they were nowhere near as good as in game, but seriously. I set up a lil scenario where 4 Ferdinands and some arty observers get rushed by a battalion each of t34 and infantry, with ANOTHER battalino of each coming in as soviet reinforcments. The only german reinforcements? a platoon of brumbarr...god isn't life grand when theres russkies to unhistorically slaughter?

[Kubelwagen]

Ferdinands were quite powerful actually.They are practically the same as the Elefant,except for a machine gun.

[MikeyD]

There's a BIG book on the history of the 653rd TD which used Ferdis. And yes, they were used in conjunction with Brumbars. And yes they were just about unbeatable (200mm armor!). Actually, These monsters turned out to be their own worst enemy. Awful mobility, too heavy for bridges, hybrid (electric) drive.

[Darius359au]

Dr Porsche , One of the only engineers who never heard of K.I.S.S

[Conscript Bagger]

Originally posted by Bigduke6:

Certainly the Soviet sticks are undermodeled. This is because the designers failed to take into account the fact that Russian stick woods (oak, ash, larch, etc.) are denser than German stick woods. This is because Russian dirt has a high metal content than German dirt, and because Russia had larger forests and so more wood to select sticks from. Admittedly Soviet stick selection was poor at the beginning of the war, but by 1943 Soviet sticks were quite effective at flailing dead horses from the flank at short ranges normally found in combat. My life is much worse for the fact that I can't do that in the game.

That design error was the legacy of BFC's skepticism toward reports of Finnish pinecones' effectiveness vs. Soviet tanks. They adjusted all the penetration stats in the game downward to bring the Finnish weapons in line with reality, and unfortunately the game was published before conclusive photographic proof was furnished that the Finnish stuff really was that good.

CM's sales in Finland never really took off as a result, and I think even "Where in the Woods is Carmen Santiago" outsells CM there.

[throwdjohn]

Wow mikey, so I accidentally made a historical pairing in one of my quasi retarted "kill lots of russians " scenarios i create when im bored....which is too often.

[Bigduke6]

As a committed Soviet, I would be happy to have to play againts the ueber-finn stuff, if I could have a T54 like in the picture.

Now that was a tank. They issued drivers a hammer for changing gears. No, I'm not making that up.

[CRSutton]

There is a counter for everything. Combat engineers and flamethrowers are very good at killing tigers.