rleete Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 I had moved a Brit corps unit into southern France (off Gilbraltar, via transport), to try and stave off the German onslaught. Before it could move up to defend Paris, France fell. The unit was within what would become Vichy. When France surrendered, the unit disappeared. Do all British units within France just vanish? Doesn't this automatically avoid saving some units a la Dunkirk? What about air fleets? Do they disappear as well? I have never seen that, as my air power is long gone by the time France conceeds. It this related to the Italian unit disappearing in Africa if it has moved in to try and attack Algeria, when Vichy is conquered, and the gov't moves to Algeria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 RL, Are you absolutely sure it disappeared? It is supposed to have appeared somewhere on friendly soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted May 24, 2002 Author Share Posted May 24, 2002 Absolutely sure. After having the Italian unit invading Algeria disappear, I thought it was destroyed (hadn't paid attention during the AI turn). Then I saw the thread on it, and Hubert's reply. So, this time I looked. Not on Britain or Canada, and not back in Gibraltar. I suppose it could have been in the far east, but I'm pretty sure I checked there, as well. It was very frustrating, as I had contemplated moving it to Algeria to help defend against the Italians, or disbanding it for the MPPs. At that stage of the game, 60 MPPs is a big loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Originally posted by R_Leete: Absolutely sure. After having the Italian unit invading Algeria disappear, I thought it was destroyed (hadn't paid attention during the AI turn). Then I saw the thread on it, and Hubert's reply. So, this time I looked. Not on Britain or Canada, and not back in Gibraltar. I suppose it could have been in the far east, but I'm pretty sure I checked there, as well. It was very frustrating, as I had contemplated moving it to Algeria to help defend against the Italians, or disbanding it for the MPPs. At that stage of the game, 60 MPPs is a big loss.RL, That is indeed not supposed to happen. It may have been sent to Alexandria, but that seems a bit far. Well, if you (or anybody else) can check this, I am sure Hubert will be able to track down the problem. It's simple to check: play the Allies and get all the French units out of the way to allow the Germans to take Paris easily. Be sure to get the Gibraltar garrison to Marseilles before France falls. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted May 25, 2002 Author Share Posted May 25, 2002 It wasn't in Marseilles, but north of it by 2 hexes (in between the mountains). Not sure if that would make any difference, but thought I'd clarify. Also, one other point. If France falls, and all British units get sent back, shouldn't they have some sort of penalty? Sort of a "lost a lot of equipment at Dunkirk" type of thing. Either a hit to British MPPs (transport costs), or a random reduction in their strengths? I'm sure the Germans wouldn't just let them walk out, without trying to destroy them. It might add uncertainty to the decision to try and reinforce France, especially if they were on the verge of collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient One Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 After France surrenders, British units in what becomes Vichy France get sent back (or at least they are supposed to). British units in German occupied France stay where they are out of supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakko Ichiu Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Did you check in Canada? Just a thought, as I never look there after the first turn or two. On that subject, it would be really great if the macro map showed blinking lights for units w/ movement options. Just another thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted May 25, 2002 Author Share Posted May 25, 2002 Okay, I replayed the Allied side. Several times, with different unit placement. Happens every time. The unit (Gibraltar Corps) just disappears. Not on the board at all, I checked thoroughly. Unit MUST be within the borders of Vichy, otherwise it is still there, out of supply, unless they are on the remaining city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Well, this is the point where Hubert is supposed to arrive and say, "Very interesting. I'll look into to it. Thanks for the heads up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Cater Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Very interesting. I'll look into to it. Thanks for the heads up Seriously though, I think I know why this might be happening and I'll fix it up for the final. Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Originally posted by Hubert Cater: Very interesting. I'll look into to it. Thanks for the heads up Hubert, You're killing me here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Cater Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Ted, Well I guess the funny thing is I am starting to sound pretty predictable, so when I get into droll mode just let me know. Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Hubert, Drolling is better than trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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