ash477 Posted February 26, 2001 Share Posted February 26, 2001 The Firefly tanks seem to get the better of my panzers & AA weapons from long range, and to get up close i end up exposing my tanks to enemy infantry; any good strategies to overcome this problem? BTW i've been playing CC for a week now, its 100% great. I even went to the store & got my $$ back for the latest version of CloseCombat w/ the excuse that it didn't work w/ w2k CC is in a league of its own -- Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Bates Posted February 26, 2001 Share Posted February 26, 2001 Protect your panzers with a screen of anti tank guns. Anything respectable would make short work of the Firefly. Try and attack a Firefly with a German tank destroyer... normally your tank destroyer will get away the first shot, which is good odds (especially if the Firefly misses its shot in retaliation). Target the firefly with on board or off board mortars, or use artillery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kelly Posted February 26, 2001 Share Posted February 26, 2001 The only words of wisdom I can offer is to maintain a safe distance and place your tanks in a hulldown position. I would take my chances with a panther or tiger from 1,000 meters in a hulldown position against anything. It's not foolproof, but that's all you can do. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted February 26, 2001 Share Posted February 26, 2001 BTW i've been playing CC for a week now, its 100% great (Whisper)Pssst,hey new guy...it's CM, as in Combat mission...Right, CM... BTW, welcome aboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike the bike Posted February 26, 2001 Share Posted February 26, 2001 I've found the opposite problem - how do you kep Firefly's alive?? lol their armour isn't great - anythign decent will kill them, and it seems the AI targets every German gun within 1000 yds on them straight away! perhaps you should do the same - shoot everything at them until they die, then pick off the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash477 Posted February 26, 2001 Author Share Posted February 26, 2001 yes i meant to say i've been playing CM for a week, not CC which i returned to the store! <g> I've read about the hull down position but i recall that the only way to get into that position is to be behind a wall(?) Or maybe there's some way to use the geography of the land to find a hulldown position? Also, does CM tell me if my tank has found a hulldown position or do i have to go for a closeup of the tank and look at its profile? Thanks to all. BTW what is CM2 going to be about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrapGame Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 Ash, The easiest way is actually to get down to camera level 1, and scope out the ground for good ditches, bumps, etc. It's easy with the German TD's to get behind a small rise, and then use the hunt command to move up the rise. The AI will automatically stop the TD in a hulldown position as soon as enough of the vehicle clears the hill for the gun to fire. It works well, especially with the Hetzer and Jpz IV's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffinCheng+ Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 I agree keeping Firefly alive is a bigger problem. Yep they have a big gun which can deal with almost all German panzers, faster turret but most of the time they are the first pirority target. The Firefly armor is nothing greater than other Sherman. I have many killed by "cheap" Panzer IVs at ranges over 800m. Worse, their HE round count is low and they are really suspectable to German organic troops. Griffin. ------------------ "When you find your PBEM opportents too hard to beat, there is always the AI." "Can't get enough Tank?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Star Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 Fireflys are not a problem. You usually find them in a field around dusk. The Uber-weapon against them is a pair of hands (75mm or greater) and a glass jar (at least 130mm thick, sloped at 30%). Try this and the Fireflies will not be a worry again. ------------------ "Act after having made assessments. The one who first knows the measures of far and near wins - this the rule of armed struggle." Sun Tzu - The Art of War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 Rush a stug at one. Just ask foobar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Huang Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 Originally posted by ash477: yes i meant to say i've been playing CM for a week, not CC which i returned to the store! <g> I am glad you didn't return the CM to the store. Welcome to the Hell !! ------------------ Sgt. Huang I LOVE my country, but my government suc*s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 I just have to agree with the others. In a very recent game my PAK40 had no problem nailing a Firefly at 600m or so. The accompanying Churchill proved to be a too tough nut to crack though... Cheers Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefly Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 Plying me with alcohol normally works.. Oh, you mean the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 Artillery is good... or so it seems. The rule of thumb is, don't drive a tack with a sledge hammer. Fireflies are all gun, no armor... so why endanger a heavy armored (read: expensive) piece of machinery to take it out? I mean... ANY anti-tank weapon will do. Try and recon the field early, and if you see FFs, hit them with arty if they are stationary, or move light armored low calibre AT gun platforms in to hit it from two sides at one. #1 Thing to remember... fireflies are pointy on one end and soft on the other. If you get on two sides, one attack will always be be on the soft vulnerable side. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kelly Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 The "hunt" command is your best bet for attaining a hulldown position. Unfortunately, the game only supplies information about your target, but if your gun has to pivot down or your bow machine gun is obstructed (unable to fire), then you are most likely in a hulldown postion. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash477 Posted February 27, 2001 Author Share Posted February 27, 2001 Yesterday i tried to get my tank into the hulldown position but then it got stuck -- imobile ! Perhaps because i had the hunt command stop on the slope of a hill which i thought would be perfect for hulldown? Or maybe this is just a consequence sometimes of trying to find a HD position. I also noticed that sometimes hidden machinegunners openfire on tanks when they're buttoned up -- futile! And i had ordered them to hide, but for some reason they felt the need to start firing. Needless to say they were killed. Wonder why they were stupid enough to disobey my command, especially when its obvious they're not going to bring down a Sherman w/ a mg? I also noticed that sometimes men don't appear to exactly be in a foxhole but the display at bottom says they're in the hole. I assume the game treats it as if they're in the foxhole even though on-screen the men appear to be next to the foxhole. Thanx to all, ooo-rah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted February 28, 2001 Share Posted February 28, 2001 Originally posted by ash477: I assume the game treats it as if they're in the foxhole even though on-screen the men appear to be next to the foxhole.That is correct. (You can also notice this with buildings. Near the walls a unit might be inside or outside...) Cheers Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted February 28, 2001 Share Posted February 28, 2001 I dunno, a few games back, I watched one of my Panzershrecks knock one out with a single 120 meter shot to the upper hull. Seemed easy enough. ------------------ "Gentlemen, you may be sure that of the three courses open to the enemy, he will always choose the fourth." -Field Marshal Count Helmuth von Moltke, (1848-1916) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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