Manx Posted January 3, 2001 Share Posted January 3, 2001 As some of you may already be aware - i am trying to put together an online, web-based dossier, detailing the strength's and weaknesses of the units that can be found in CMBO. These notes will be published on the COMBAT MISSIONS website, in the hope that others may learn from our mistakes and successes. Having started off with the Wespe and M8 (thanks to those who gave some feedback on them), i would now like you to switch your attention to the Pz VIE - 'TIGER'. What tactics do you use on the CM battlefield with the Tiger?... Does it live up to it's fearsome reputation?...Does it 'purr' or 'growl'?. Your thoughts, observations and tactical usage of this vehicle, would once again, be much appreciated!. Remember, you can always add to the research already collected on each unit by visiting the COMBAT MISSIONS website and sending in your info. The more feedback people are willing to share, the more useful it will be to ALL of us!. TIA. ------------------ COMBAT MISSIONS - CM News, Supplies & Resources WWW.COMBATMISSIONS.CO.UK [This message has been edited by Manx (edited 01-03-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Bates Posted January 3, 2001 Share Posted January 3, 2001 IMHO the Tiger has a slow speed and a slow turret, the only task it is really good at is blowing up buildings. The Panther on the other hand is faster in all respects, and has a better gun. I have found that the Tiger can stand up to infantry attacks fairly well, and it is effective against AT guns. Also, it is not so susceptible to flanking attacks by Allied cars and light tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawyer Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Manx, you need some marketing help. What the hell does "CM-UTDB: Tiger" mean? The only reason I opened this thread was "Tiger" because the title was otherwise incomprehensible to me. Even then, I don't open every Tiger thread I see. I know from your previous thread what you are doing, but many may not. How about a thread title like "Give me the good, the bad, and the ugly about using the Tiger" or some such challenge that tells people what you want? Your effort is noble, but you need to let folks know more clearly what you want. Having said all that, I know nothing about the Tiger. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoot Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Lawyer, Short for Unit Tactics/observations Data Base, I believe. (correct me if I'm wrong, Manx). Something he's cooking up at his site: http://www.combatmissions.co.uk to detail individual units and their strengths/weaknesses, and methods of employment. I think the title may have been aimed at those of us who have been following it's progress. Clubfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Posted January 4, 2001 Author Share Posted January 4, 2001 "Combat Mission - Unit Tactics Database", of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aposotol Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I like tiger because it is a famous cat, that terrified the allies, but this don t happen in cm too often. My tiger have been knoked out by stuarts too many times, for to make it a nice choose. The only way to use this baby i far and away. Too slow, to move and turret to slow to be intrepid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Manx, I lost a Tiger once, when it was going down a hill. The top of it's turret was penetrated by a great shot from a British Challenger tank. Also, a single Jumbo Sherman tank that I had took out two Tigers in one turn when they were buttoned up & (fortunately) busy with infantry. Yeah, they don't seem to be the feared monsters that I thought they were. It was from this game that I chose Jumbo as a Username. Another time, I had great success against allied infantry with one when I used it with lots of infantry to look out for it. Jumbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I killed a Tiger once with an M8, unbelievable but true! It was a sneaky ambush and the range was about 20m but the result was a dead kitty....and my opponent was so proud of his tiger that he surrendered soon after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlh1138 Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Manx Been trying to remember your ID to thank you. Love your site with the (so far) two units. Great layout/graphics BTW. As soon as I learn any tactics with the various units, I'll be glad to post to your site. In the meantime, please keep up the effort. As a beginner I can really use that kind of info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy w/gun Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Hmm...the tiger....lets see... Well, I like them ok. From a purely QB stance, they're pretty inexpensive. Thick armor (no so thick as I thought at first though). Powerful gun. As for the negatives: I find them too slow. WAY WAY WAY too indecisive on what to target (even elites). Turret traverse is a joke. I hate using them in confined situations. And I find more often then not, the TacAI always seems to knock them out with front turret shot, or some other weak spot. I find there not very good at "infantry munching" If they spook the enemy, I've never seen it. Seen a zook engage one at a laughable (and suicidal) distance the other day. I hoped I helped...I didn't really reply with very many tactical uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Seimerst Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 First-- thanks for a really great web site. My thoughts/experiences with the Tiger are summed up: Keep your infantry on its flanks for security and in defensive situations, position it so it has a relatively narrow firing arc (say no more than 45 degrees.) that will minimize the disadvantage of it's slow turret traverse. In general, keep it as far back as possible given the terrain so it can maximize the advantages of its armor and gun to the disadvantages of the allies-- I like to stay more than 800 meters away. The horror stories (from the Axis point of view anyway) on Tigers being taken out by Stuarts, come from close-in engagements with flank/rear shots keeping one shot ahead of the slow turrent trying to track the more nimble Allied tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MantaRay Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I find them too expensive to buy most of the time. The turrent speed is not really much of a problem if I do buy them, but I only buy them in pairs. I think the speed is not really an issue, but I would buy them more if we could see the map before purchase, and if the map was at longer ranges (2000m). Not a bad tank, but not as good as the Panther. 2 Stugs are a better choice too. Ray ------------------ When asked, "How many moves do you see ahead?", CAPABLANCA replied: "One move - the best one." Click now for shelter from the Peng thread The Red Army of the Rugged Defense Group Ladder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Buhl Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Great work Manx !! The Tiger... I would say three things. First off all I must agree with Guy w/gun: "too indecisive on what to target" and that is a problem when you have a slow turret. The other thing is always try to keep them in pairs. Last but not least one must realise that this kitten was an old lady in 1944/45. Be cautious when you use it and don't expect it to rule the battlefield. When used the right way this kitten can indeed growl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 At the moment, the PzVI is my tank of choice: Good armor, excellent gun (does it all --- anti-armor/infantry/building), decent price. Park it in the back-field on a commanding rise, and you will rule the battlefield. I've had Tigers sit through 4:1 attacks by M10's and shrug off those 76mm AP rounds like fleas. But that's the key: Stay in the rear, with plenty of infantry between it and those Allied fast-movers, and you won't have to worry about that extra-slow turret traverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoot Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Manx, Ahh, the "1 wood" of the German armored force. I'll have to throw my hat in with Von Lucke, keep that Tiger as far removed from Allied armor and cruchies as possible and plink away. As you remove yourself further and further from the enemy, slow turret rotation becomes less of a factor (less arc needed to cover the entire engagement area). A pair functions even better. If you can keep them seperated laterally by several hundred meters, you can use pauses and have them alternately roll out of cover, take a shot, and roll back in. One of my friend's calls this the "whack-a-mole" tactic referrring to that silly old arcade favorite. Clubfoot. [This message has been edited by Clubfoot (edited 01-04-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Posted January 5, 2001 Author Share Posted January 5, 2001 The "Tiger" page is now up. Thanks to everyone who gave some feedback. Remember, you can always add more by sending it in via the e-mail on the site. Cheers! ------------------ COMBAT MISSIONS - CM News, Supplies & Resources WWW.COMBATMISSIONS.CO.UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stuka: It was a sneaky ambush and the range was about 20m but the result was a dead kitty....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> NooOOoOooooO!!! =( Kitty ------------------ ICQ 8273286 http://www.fluffkitty.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 Take heart, Kitten! You still have eight left don't you? Wild Bill ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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