KiwiJoe Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 http://www.combatsim.com/htm/2000/10/cc5-normandy/ "I do not think I go too far when I say CC5 is the best in the series, but to put things plainly it has been eclipsed by Combat Mission, a game superior in every meaningful way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 I kind of liked this line: Friends, gamers, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury Close Combat, not to praise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 I've got to wonder what Keith Zabaloui's thinking when he reads reviews like that... "Hmm, maybe I'll get in on that Squad Leader thing..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 If I know Mr. Z. (and I do, unfortunately) he's throwing a medium-sized tantrum some place while he sticks pins in a doll tagged with the name of the person who wrote said review. But enough of this stuff--it's all old hat. I'm off to read the review itself and get a chuckle out of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 After reading both reviews I think you'd better make that rusted nails instead of pins, and Keith will be twisting them hard on the way in. This Nelson Hernandez is a very able writer, by the way. I haven't bothered with combatsim.com before, but based on what I've seen of its content this morning I think I'll keep moderately in touch from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 Nelson is quite capable all right - not only does he write fine articles, but he also heads the CMMC allied press corps (refer to the Forward Observer on Matt's CMHQ site), and is known to contribute here on occasion as the admiral! Mace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rollstoy Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 What a totally unfair review! I am glad that this board has seemingly reached a level of maturity where it is recognized that a comparison between CM and CC is basically pointless. Unfortunately this has not gotten through to some 'officials' of the scene. To each their own. Leave CC alone! I still remember how about 75% of my casualties were caused by the desire of my troops to run TOWARDS the enemy when under fire in my current PBEM (Patch Level 3). And this in the famous Combat Mission! Just proofs: nothing is perfect! Game on, Thomm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 Why is it an unfair review? He noted CC5's good and bad points, and then said that there's a game which, in his opinion, is better. Isn't that what a reviewer's supposed to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 Well, Rollstoy, if I read Mr. Hernandez correctly he did not, first of all, "compare" the two titles so much as point out that, in his view, CMBO made for a more immersive gaming experience. That's for openers. I might add, as long as you've chosen to get me started, that Hernandez, as a journalist, not only has the "right" but the obligation to pass along each and every one of his observations re related product which he feels would be pertinent to his public, most especially with possible purchase decisions in mind. Finally, Hernandez did not strike me as having any particular agenda to pursue vis-a-vis the two titles in question; you, however, with your rather emotional retort to the former gentleman's work, have indeed impressed me as falling into this trap. Should you be able to do a better job of reviewing these games, please, be my guest. I shall read you with great interest. [This message has been edited by Tris (edited 10-31-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiJoe Posted October 31, 2000 Author Share Posted October 31, 2000 After having dabbled with cc5 a bit myself the only area that it beats CM in is: Machine guns... the mg42 is REALLY a thing to fear in cc5, it's fast rof rips men in the open to pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNZer Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 Interesting you should mention that KJ, check out the various threads on the MG42 for the reasons why it is as it is currently, there was some discussion on the matter a few months ago. I believe there is some perception that MGs actually kill people, when it's more realistic to have them supress people. I've read a few annecdotes whereby soldiers weren't too worried about the mg42 at any range over a couple of hundred meters, (hell, maybe less), because fire was pretty disperesed by then. One thing though is that it -did- keep their heads down hehe Don't really want to get into a repeat of previous arguments by people who know more than myself abou thte issues, but if anyone's interested, there was a full debate about it some time ago PeterNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussar Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 HMMM ! I must admit that the review lost me a bit when it talked of the "RUGGED" Sherman. Overall I think the top down format of CC has had its day and I wont be buying this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted October 31, 2000 Share Posted October 31, 2000 I read it Might as well quote him here: "At the beginning of this review I promised I would compare CC5 to its cousins in the series and its competition. Most people, myself included, tend to think that the series started to go downhill after CC2, which seemed to strike the ideal balance between tanks and infantry and was about an inherently tense situation—Operation Market-Garden. Well, CC5 is a return to that spirit of things and I think that if this game is not the best in the series (for it depends on taste, I think), it comes very close. The graphics are good, the game is bug-free, and most veterans of the series have gotten over the battle engine’s flaws by now, or perhaps they never cared about them anyway. On that basis I would recommend this to anyone who is a fan of Close Combat, or who has never tried it. Debriefing But I feel morally obliged to point out that Combat Mission is simply a better game, and if you only have the money for one game you ought to get CM, not CC5. CM does not have a campaign, and the maps are not hand-painted. But it is an order of magnitude more immersive, more realistic, more flexible and infinitely replayable. It’s just more fun. The bottom line is that Close Combat 5 will be coming off of my hard drive in a few weeks; Combat Mission is still there, and I fully expect it to remain for months or even years. "Admiral" Nelson Hernandez's Combat Mission Review" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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