Morten Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 Hi all One thing I am looking forward to in CM, is the oppertunety to play my old ASL scenarios in a 3d format, and I know for sure that I will be looking though my scenarios to find some that will be suitable, with regards to weapons, troop types terain etc.. I wondered if thougths have been made by members of this learned forum, as to some "standards". F.ex. How to deal with a squad in ASL (4-6-7) with a heavy MG (7-16). Should this, in CM, be made into a regular half-squad and MG-crew? I do realise, off course, that CM is a different game than ASL and that scenaios can, and most proberly will, be very unbalanced if taken over directly. My point is however that when there are hundreds of, more or less, historical settings allready made, it would be a waste to "start from scrath". Kind regards Morten Lundsteen Copenhagen - Denmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culex Pipiens Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 i had also the same idea, i translated more than 100 scenarios from ASL to CCIII (West front, East front, 1940 mods) if you want we can make this thing together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morten Posted March 16, 2000 Author Share Posted March 16, 2000 Great idea. Scenarios, no matter how one makes them, allways benefits from beeing looked at by as many people as possible. Kind regards Morten Lundsteen Copenhagen - Denmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 I was just thinking about that the other night. I wonder, with the map design editor, will we be able to create the ASL boards, save them, and then add and interlock them in different ways according to what ASL scenario we wanted to recreate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rune Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 Can you make an ASL map? Yes, a beta tester has done so to see what the maps he played look like in 3D. Can you interlock maps? No. You would have to do each map. Can you save maps for a scenario? Yes, but it is ONE map, not multiple maps put together. Rune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culex Pipiens Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 the limit of ASL scenarios (except the last ones with the overlay s to put on maps) is that you have to play always with the same maps. i think that with a little imagination and historic research and looking the original maps you can make a decent map for CM many ASL scenarios needs many maps i think that this can handled in CM making a mor lenght and depth maps or using the operation system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted March 17, 2000 Share Posted March 17, 2000 There is no reason why you wouldn't be able to make ASL scenarios in CM. The only problem with this is that ASL is one game, CM is another. That means each treats things very differently, even though both use similar units in theory. What I mean by this is that play balancing will have to be done all over and the original unit lists for an ASL scenario changed (most likely). Moon did up an ASL scenario and the defender had pretty much no chance in hell of losing. A tweak here and there and boom, scenario was a funn one but it was now only based on an ASL battle. I would expect this to be the norm instead of the exception. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morten Posted March 17, 2000 Author Share Posted March 17, 2000 Thanks for all replies so far But now I am curious: What ASL scenario was the one converted, and what tweaks was used? Kind regards Morten Lundsteen Copenhagen - Denmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kevin- Posted March 17, 2000 Share Posted March 17, 2000 I was thinking along the same lines. What are the copyright implications for distribution - if any? I hope there is not a problem exchanging converted scenarios as freeware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.Tankersley Posted March 17, 2000 Share Posted March 17, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -Kevin-: I was thinking along the same lines. What are the copyright implications for distribution - if any? I hope there is not a problem exchanging converted scenarios as freeware.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Disclaimer: I Am Not A Lawyer (well, except the rules kind). The only area I think you're likely to run into possible copyright infringement issues when converting SL/ASL scenarios is in the scenario title and the situation descriptions/aftermath. Plagiarizing those couple of paragraphs is almost certainly a violation, and could potentially land you in hot water. But as far as copying the situations, general OBs or terrain layouts, I don't see that being a problem. Note that Avalon Hill has in the past, um, "expressed displeasure" at independents for copying the AH scenario card layout and counter art, among other things. ------------------ Leland J. Tankersley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L4Pilot Posted March 17, 2000 Share Posted March 17, 2000 Re: Intellectual property. It would probably not be a good idea to "convert" ASL scenarios to CM, especially given the newly "resurrected" status of ASL and it's new "owner." Used as a research tool and resource, there shouldn't be any problem. Two things I am aware of is 1) you can't copyright history and 2) when you only use one source, it's called plagiarism, when you use more than one, it's called "research" Not trying to give legal advice here, just my understanding of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted March 18, 2000 Share Posted March 18, 2000 I saw the ASL map. It was boards 2,3 and 4, but I don't remember the exact scenario, (defence of hill XXXX?)It was interesting to see the familiar boards in three day and "brought to life", if you will. Los Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kevin- Posted March 18, 2000 Share Posted March 18, 2000 Based on the above comments, we need to be somewhat careful. I think porting (note I avoid the word copying) the SL/ASL maps into 3D CM might spell trouble - I mean building for building and tree for tree. Right now, I do not think you can get them anywhere without buying the boardgames. Direct porting of OOBs (squad for squad) is another trouble area. History can't be copyrighted. But what about someone's interpretation of history? I think an exact "copy" of an SL/ASL scenario is getting close to infringement. How "different" the scenario must be in CM is a very grey area. Certainly, a lot depends on how wide the distribution becomes. Keep the ported scenario off the net and among a few friends = no problem. I made a direct port of Panzer Leader's "Encirclment of Nancy" into West Front (it worked well) but never posted it to the net for the reasons above. I read on some message board (was it email?) about a guy that was contacted by Avalon Hill and told to stop posting ported scenarios of some (dont remember the details) game. He stopped. Food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WildBill Posted March 18, 2000 Share Posted March 18, 2000 Having had some experience in these areas, my personal opinion is that as long as you are doing this for your own personal gaming pleasure, there is no problem. And even if you share it with others via some sort of scenario depot, as long as you are not making money on your work, it is also permissible. I honestly don't think most gaming companies are going to track you down and take you to court simply because you recreated a scenario for personal or mutual gaming pleasure. ------------------ Wild Bill Wilder Wild Bill's Raiders Director of Scenario Design, The Gamers Net http://wbr.thegamers.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted March 19, 2000 Share Posted March 19, 2000 I think the scenario was Bucholtz Station (or something like that). As for Wild Bill's thoughts, I think they are bang on. Provided you steer clear of the stuff Leland mentioned (i.e. the text) you should be fine. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kevin- Posted March 19, 2000 Share Posted March 19, 2000 Thanks for the tip Wild Bill. Money is the key (and root) of all evil. I might add that lavish credits should be given to the designers of ported (copied) scenarios. We should pledge not to make a thin dime off another's hard work. - Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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