Barb Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 Turn1: Player A and player B gives orders. B makes the movie of turn 1 Turn2: Player A watches the movie of turn1, and gives orders, then player B watches the movie for turn 1 and gives orders, and makes the movie. Turn3: ... I don't know if I am stupid or something, but wouldn't this work? Reducing the posts per turn to 2. And if I am proved stupid, don't make this a dedicated-for-me cesspool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 You are not stupid...but your suggestion will not work. Player A makes move and sends to B Player B Makes move and sends to A A watches movie sends to B B watches Movie and makes move for turn 2. Sends to A Both players must receive each other's move before movie is seen. I had read somewhere this was to prevent any kind of "hacking or cheating". I can live with that. And besides the system as is works just fine. I live by the rule "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!" ------------------ Webmaster http://www.trailblazersww2.org http://www.vmfa251.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb Posted September 15, 2000 Author Share Posted September 15, 2000 Could someone give me a more specific answer why this wouldn't work? In the system I suggested B has both orders and makes the movie (but doesn't play it jet, no way to cheat). Then A watches the movie, which isn't made by player A, so he can't cheat. And if B could play the movie from A's file (and so he could make the movie and turns as many times as he wants), why couldn't he do so also now? I don't get it... I must be missing some point here, because if this system would work, it surely would be used... But I want to know what is the point I am missing. Is there a thread in which this has been talked earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshandorf Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 If you can do your orders, create the movie AND watch it if you didn't like what happened you could just do your orders all over again and generate another movie until it goes the way you want. That would be cheating. Okay? Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Barb: Could someone give me a more specific answer why this wouldn't work? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If you do two posts per turn all the computation of results happens on the same computer. Write it out and see. Some nefarious person could then conceivably hack their copy of CM, and cheat every turn. With three per turn, you could only cheat on half the turns . [This message has been edited by chrisl (edited 09-15-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb Posted September 15, 2000 Author Share Posted September 15, 2000 jshandorf: You wouldn't be able to watch the movie you make, as it is now chrisl: Yeah, I know. Half cheating doesn't count But if you could hack the code, why couldn't you hack it also so, that you could bypass the password check, and so you could cheat a lot, which would result in the legendary die-a-lot situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Party Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 I think it would work OK in principle but would involve some recoding. Player A sends an unseen movie to player B. After watching the movie, player B inputs his next order set then sends effectively two files back to player A: the movie and the next command turn. Player A watches the movie, inputs his orders, processes the next movie and sends it to player B without seeing it. The difference to the current system is that every turn each of the players would watch a movie AND issues orders. chrisl is correct that all movie generation is done on the same computer but so what? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scott Clinton Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 I am with Neutral Party. This sounds like the best method I have seen. It would make the PBEM sequence 1/3 faster AFAIK. (Not that all of this hasn't been covered several times before...) And if (for some unknown reason) simply having the same player GENERATE the movies each turn is not desired...have them switch ever 5 or 10 turns. The improvement would still be substantial IMHO. Hopefully we will see this type of change included with the TCP/IP patch. ------------------ Please note: The above is solely the opinion of 'The Grumbling Grognard' and reflects no one else's views but his own. [This message has been edited by Scott Clinton (edited 09-15-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 I suggested this same thing a good while ago. (don't ask what thread) If I remember correctly, I got an "official" no. The reason was the same player generating everything. ------------------ Now, would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking slowly towards the enemy sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberfox Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 Greetings The whole thing "How to play PBEM" can you find at http://home.wanadoo.nl/edwin.vos/cm/rules.htm Good luck Cyberfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jshandorf: If you can do your orders, create the movie AND watch it if you didn't like what happened you could just do your orders all over again and generate another movie until it goes the way you want. That would be cheating. Okay? Jeff<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Did I miss something here? This fellow already explained why the PBEM sequence is the way it is. It stops the loading of multiple turns. I would not even use the PBEM feature if it was not coded the way it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Party Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 Abbott Everyone agrees that you should not be able to issue orders and then watch the movie on the same turn. What is being discussed is whether there is a more time-efficient method of achieving this. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 Thanks NP, I thought I had missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb Posted September 16, 2000 Author Share Posted September 16, 2000 Thanks for the replies! But, because I am a junior member, I am supposed to ask: I still can't see a reason why not to use "my" system? If one can cheat half of the turns, that is enough. (the only system that I see as a secure one, is that both players send their movies to a dedicated server) Sorry if this seems like a start for a flame war, which is not my intention. And sorry for my poor english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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