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Can MG/Mortar units run ??


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(I did a search with key word mortar, then

another with machine gun, and can't find

what I want, if you know the key words

please let me know , thanks !!)

Yes, I think so, at least for a short

distance.

Take the heaviest MG 50 Cal in CM for

example, 3 men take each end of the tripot and they can run for 100 meters and won't

be weary. I did this when I was in the

army.

Also, the mortar unit can run like the MG

units, but only for a short distance. If two

men take a 81mm mortar, sure, they can run

for a while.

Although both of these units can't run as

fast as the rifle squads, but they do run.

Especially when someone is shooting at them,

who will walk slowly like a sitting duck ??

What do you think , folks ?? I wish

the BTS adds this feature to the CM2 !!

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Hey Stoffel, why the sarcasm/flaming man?

I tried to search, as a result of your comment (even searched for "Nike" smile.gif) but didn't manage to point Sgt to a good thread.

Why not help if you can, either point to a threat or summarise?

But maybe I'm unreasonable...

Respect.

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If you are asking 'can Heavy Machine Gun and Heavy Mortar units run in real life' my answer would be: I have no idea.

If you are asking, however, 'can HMG an Hvy Mort. units run in Combat Mision: Beyond Overlord' my answer would be: a big fat NO!

I came to this conclusion by opening up CM, clicking on a HMG and MVY Mort., pressed 'space bar' and seeing if there is a 'run' command.

There has been a HUGE discussion on this, key words are 'mg42 run' , the topic name 'Spur of the Moment Complaining'.

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The thread mentioned by chasd should be required reading for all who post here smile.gif

basically your infantry squads do have mgs and they can run with them. However these are in the "light" configuration, i.e. only a bipod, not a ton of ammo, essentially the saw) and then you have the mg in the heavy configuration. Has a tripod and a butt-load of ammo...4000 rounds or so dispersed amongst the 6-man hvy mg squad. Try running with that.

ok, this has nothing to do with S. Huang's post, just a quote from the thread mentioned:

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>There is an old German proverb, that could roughly be translated as:

The way you call into the forest, it will echo back<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

good proverb Germanboy, it made reading that thread worth it biggrin.gif

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It wasnt meant to be sarcastic,sorry if it came over that way.

And yes it is my opinion a mg team can run.

I know I have been a MAG gunner.

The damn thing weighs 14 kilo and I have run with it,you have to rest though after 200/300 meters

But the overal answer remained the same,bts said they wouldn't change it.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tiger:

The thread mentioned by chasd should be required reading for all who post here

good proverb Germanboy, it made reading that thread worth it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Tiger - gotta love Grandma... I totally agree on the required reading (as I would). And that's why I got such a laugh out of the 'running' HMG team picture in the Imperial War Museum.

What fun.

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Thanks for all the answers !! I think I have

to make some of my points more clearer.

"They can run a short distance" that means

the distance is 50-100 meters, the more they

run, and the more time they need to be

rested. However, there is also a rule for

running, the continuous running time

should be less than 1 min and 30 seconds

(or you have some other opinions), since

those things are kind of heavy.

I watched SPR and saw a two-men M1919

team did run from house to house.

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I posted this since I think the CM is the

most real squad level simulation is the

whole world, now and before. So, I point out

my personal point of view to BTS (and folks )

out there) and try to make CM more real.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sergeant Huang:

I watched SPR and saw a two-men M1919

team did run from house to house.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But you are aware that was a Hollywood movie? I really suggest you read thread 8080. All is revealed there. Until somebody does a real-life test with an HMG and s**loads of ammo, running even a short distance, I can not see BTS change this, they have made this pretty clear.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Aitken:

I once ran 20 yards with a water pistol... I think BTS's modelling is all wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But could you do the same thing with a Wasserfaust strapped to your back?

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chupacabra:

But could you do the same thing with a Wasserfaust strapped to your back?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Morons, both of you. What about the five-gallon water supply you have to carry in each hand? Can you run with that? (For testing reasons true Germans can substitut this by a standard 24-bottle beer carrier of German standard type)

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Germanboy:

Morons, both of you. What about the five-gallon water supply you have to carry in each hand? Can you run with that? (For testing reasons true Germans can substitut this by a standard 24-bottle beer carrier of German standard type)

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While you're on the subject, I'm amazed that BTS didn't model the PilSW 243/1 gepanzerte Bierfoerdermaschine. I thought this one would be a given...

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>There is an easy solution to that – you drink the water, and the resulting ordinance is far more potent than simple H20.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent Idea, should work well in mountain fighting (as long as you command the high ground)

For an urban setting, where the fighting is room to room, I have instructed my troops to consume copious amounts of eggs, cheese, and beans prior to battle (at least 30 minutes).

Although this is a highly effective tactic, care must be taken not to cram more than two men in the same room, else the resulting "Backblast" will light up the room as easily as a Panzershreck.

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