Sergeant Huang Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 (I did a search with key word mortar, then another with machine gun, and can't find what I want, if you know the key words please let me know , thanks !!) Yes, I think so, at least for a short distance. Take the heaviest MG 50 Cal in CM for example, 3 men take each end of the tripot and they can run for 100 meters and won't be weary. I did this when I was in the army. Also, the mortar unit can run like the MG units, but only for a short distance. If two men take a 81mm mortar, sure, they can run for a while. Although both of these units can't run as fast as the rifle squads, but they do run. Especially when someone is shooting at them, who will walk slowly like a sitting duck ?? What do you think , folks ?? I wish the BTS adds this feature to the CM2 !! Sgt.Haung ------------------ Sgt. Huang I LOVE my country, but my government sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 No they will not let them run. This is discussed thoroughly. Try the word Nike and you will find the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coralsaw Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 Hey Stoffel, why the sarcasm/flaming man? I tried to search, as a result of your comment (even searched for "Nike" ) but didn't manage to point Sgt to a good thread. Why not help if you can, either point to a threat or summarise? But maybe I'm unreasonable... Respect. ------------------ My squads are regular, must be the fibre in the musli... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasd Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 If you are asking 'can Heavy Machine Gun and Heavy Mortar units run in real life' my answer would be: I have no idea. If you are asking, however, 'can HMG an Hvy Mort. units run in Combat Mision: Beyond Overlord' my answer would be: a big fat NO! I came to this conclusion by opening up CM, clicking on a HMG and MVY Mort., pressed 'space bar' and seeing if there is a 'run' command. There has been a HUGE discussion on this, key words are 'mg42 run' , the topic name 'Spur of the Moment Complaining'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 The thread mentioned by chasd should be required reading for all who post here basically your infantry squads do have mgs and they can run with them. However these are in the "light" configuration, i.e. only a bipod, not a ton of ammo, essentially the saw) and then you have the mg in the heavy configuration. Has a tripod and a butt-load of ammo...4000 rounds or so dispersed amongst the 6-man hvy mg squad. Try running with that. ok, this has nothing to do with S. Huang's post, just a quote from the thread mentioned: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>There is an old German proverb, that could roughly be translated as: The way you call into the forest, it will echo back<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> good proverb Germanboy, it made reading that thread worth it -john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 The other good thing about that thread is Senility using the phrase "bust a cap in your ass" ------------------ Soy super bien, soy super super bien, soy bien bien super bien bien bien super super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 It wasnt meant to be sarcastic,sorry if it came over that way. And yes it is my opinion a mg team can run. I know I have been a MAG gunner. The damn thing weighs 14 kilo and I have run with it,you have to rest though after 200/300 meters But the overal answer remained the same,bts said they wouldn't change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 The answer is YES!!!! In CM mortor teams CAN run!!! Once their mortors have been knocked out or abandoned. ------------------ "To conquer death you only have to die" JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 try topic 008080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark IV Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 The Brit 2" mortar team can run, though they tire easily. I believe they're the only mortar which can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted October 29, 2000 Share Posted October 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tiger: The thread mentioned by chasd should be required reading for all who post here good proverb Germanboy, it made reading that thread worth it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks Tiger - gotta love Grandma... I totally agree on the required reading (as I would). And that's why I got such a laugh out of the 'running' HMG team picture in the Imperial War Museum. What fun. ------------------ Andreas <a href="http://www.geocities.com/greg_mudry/sturm.html">Der Kessel</a > Home of „Die Sturmgruppe“; Scenario Design Group for Combat Mission. [This message has been edited by Germanboy (edited 10-29-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Huang Posted October 30, 2000 Author Share Posted October 30, 2000 Thanks for all the answers !! I think I have to make some of my points more clearer. "They can run a short distance" that means the distance is 50-100 meters, the more they run, and the more time they need to be rested. However, there is also a rule for running, the continuous running time should be less than 1 min and 30 seconds (or you have some other opinions), since those things are kind of heavy. I watched SPR and saw a two-men M1919 team did run from house to house. ****************************************** I posted this since I think the CM is the most real squad level simulation is the whole world, now and before. So, I point out my personal point of view to BTS (and folks ) out there) and try to make CM more real. ******************************************* ------------------ Sgt. Huang I LOVE my country, but my government sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sergeant Huang: I watched SPR and saw a two-men M1919 team did run from house to house. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> But you are aware that was a Hollywood movie? I really suggest you read thread 8080. All is revealed there. Until somebody does a real-life test with an HMG and s**loads of ammo, running even a short distance, I can not see BTS change this, they have made this pretty clear. ------------------ Andreas <a href="http://www.geocities.com/greg_mudry/sturm.html">Der Kessel</a > Home of „Die Sturmgruppe“; Scenario Design Group for Combat Mission. [This message has been edited by Germanboy (edited 10-30-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasd Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 SPR is Holywood, dont beleive anything you see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 I once ran 20 yards with a water pistol... I think BTS's modelling is all wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Aitken: I once ran 20 yards with a water pistol... I think BTS's modelling is all wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> But could you do the same thing with a Wasserfaust strapped to your back? ------------------ Soy super bien, soy super super bien, soy bien bien super bien bien bien super super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 Not sure about that... I'm okay with Nerf guns, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chupacabra: But could you do the same thing with a Wasserfaust strapped to your back? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Morons, both of you. What about the five-gallon water supply you have to carry in each hand? Can you run with that? (For testing reasons true Germans can substitut this by a standard 24-bottle beer carrier of German standard type) ------------------ Andreas <a href="http://www.geocities.com/greg_mudry/sturm.html">Der Kessel</a > Home of „Die Sturmgruppe“; Scenario Design Group for Combat Mission. [This message has been edited by Germanboy (edited 10-30-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 There is an easy solution to that – you drink the water, and the resulting ordinance is far more potent than simple H20. It should be noted that flamethrower teams should not attempt this technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 would be nice stuff to shoot at smilies they would go..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Germanboy: Morons, both of you. What about the five-gallon water supply you have to carry in each hand? Can you run with that? (For testing reasons true Germans can substitut this by a standard 24-bottle beer carrier of German standard type) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> While you're on the subject, I'm amazed that BTS didn't model the PilSW 243/1 gepanzerte Bierfoerdermaschine. I thought this one would be a given... ------------------ Soy super bien, soy super super bien, soy bien bien super bien bien bien super super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 if they see your little thing then they would if it gets bigger and they would if you start shooting with it and finally they will... ------------------ h.s. [This message has been edited by Stoffel (edited 10-30-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted October 30, 2000 Share Posted October 30, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>There is an easy solution to that – you drink the water, and the resulting ordinance is far more potent than simple H20.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Excellent Idea, should work well in mountain fighting (as long as you command the high ground) For an urban setting, where the fighting is room to room, I have instructed my troops to consume copious amounts of eggs, cheese, and beans prior to battle (at least 30 minutes). Although this is a highly effective tactic, care must be taken not to cram more than two men in the same room, else the resulting "Backblast" will light up the room as easily as a Panzershreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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