sburke Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I don't want to start any drama here, especially since I have absolutely no remorse for the treatment of Tsarnaev brothers... but I can't help pointing out that a person who makes bold and unsubstantiated claims that the terrorist bombings in Russia (that have taken many more lives than these two scumbags) were carried out by Russian government and not Chechen terrorists, is so fired up and vindictive about two Chechen terrorists that have carried out an act of terror on our soil... Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture? Unsubstantiated? Holy christ you guys are something else. Just ignoring the lengthy copy and paste I put in? Fine, I'll repeat with more. You have yet to actually contradict what I posted, but somehow jump into this thread seemingly having done so. Anyone else see what is wrong with that picture? So let's repeat it The blasts hit Buynaksk on 4 September, Moscow on 9 September and 13 September and Volgodonsk on 16 September. A similar explosive device was found and defused in an apartment block in the Russian city of Ryazan on September 22.[1] The next day then-Prime Minister of Russia Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the inhabitants of Ryazan and ordered the air bombing of Grozny, which marked the beginning of the Second Chechen War.[2]A few hours later, three FSB agents who had planted this device were arrested by the local police. The incident was declared to be a training exercise. These events led to allegations that the bombings were a "false flag" attack perpetrated by the FSB in order to legitimize the resumption of military activities in Chechnya and bring Vladimir Putin to power.[3][4] Parliament member Yuri Shchekochikhin filed two motions for a parliamentary investigation of the events, but the motions were rejected by the Russian Duma in March 2000. An independent[5] public commission to investigate the bombings was chaired by Duma deputy Sergei Kovalev. The commission was rendered ineffective because of government refusal to respond to its inquiries.[6][7] Two key members of the Kovalev Commission, Sergei Yushenkov and Yuri Shchekochikhin have since died in apparent assassinations.[8][9] The Commission's lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin was arrested.[10] Occam's Razor says the most likely explanation despite it being pretty extreme is the Russian gov't was involved. To what extent is unclear, but how else do you explain that behavior? Not enough? Okay more It was initially reported by the FSB that the explosives used by the terrorists was RDX (or "hexogen"). However, it was officially declared later that the explosive was not RDX, but a mixture of aluminum powder, niter (saltpeter), sugar, and TNT prepared by the perpetrators in a concrete mixer at a fertilizer factory in Urus-Martan, Chechnya.[64][65] Yuri Tkachenko, the police explosives expert who defused the Ryazan bomb, insisted that it was in fact RDX, in reply to an FSB report the chemical test was inaccurate due to contamination of the apparatus.[54][66] Mr. Tkachenko said that the explosives, including a timer, a power source, and a detonator were genuine military equipment and obviously prepared by a professional. He also said that the gas analyzer that tested the vapors coming from the sacks unmistakably indicated the presence of RDX. Mr. Tkachenko said that it was out of the question that the analyzer could have malfunctioned, as the gas analyzer was of world class quality, costing $20,000 and was maintained by a specialist who worked according to a strict schedule, checking the analyzer after each use and making frequent prophylactic checks. Mr Tkachenko pointed out that meticulous care in the handling of the gas analyzer was a necessity because the lives of the bomb squad experts depended on the reliability of their equipment. The police officers who answered the original call and discovered the bomb also insisted that it was obvious from its appearance that the substance in the bomb was not sugar.[67][68] On September 13, just hours after the second explosion in Moscow, Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov of the Communist Party made a surprising announcement: "I have just received a report. According to information from Rostov-on-Don, an apartment building in the city of Volgodonsk was blown up last night".[78][79][80][81] However the bombing in Volgodonsk took place only three days later, on September 16. When the Volgodonsk bombing happened, Vladimir Zhirinovsky demanded an explanation in Duma, but Seleznev turned his microphone off.[78][82] The answer on that one is he supposedly confused it with a grenade attack that occurred in Volgodonsk. The Russian Duma rejected two motions for parliamentary investigation of the Ryazan incident.[90][91] The Duma, on a pro-Kremlin party line vote, voted to seal all materials related to the Ryazan incident for the next 75 years and forbade an investigation into what happened. The commission of Sergei Kovalev asked lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin to investigate the case. Trepashkin found that the basement of one of the bombed buildings was rented by FSB officer Vladimir Romanovich and that the latter was witnessed by several people. However Trepashkin was unable to bring the evidence to the court because he was arrested in October 2003, allegedly for "disclosing state secrets", just a few days shortly before he was to make his findings public.[92] He was sentenced by a military closed court to four years imprisonment.[93]Amnesty International issued a statement that "there are serious grounds to believe that Mikhail Trepashkin was arrested and convicted under falsified criminal charges which may be politically motivated, in order to prevent him continuing his investigative and legal work related to the 1999 apartment bombings in Moscow and other cities".[94] Romanovich subsequently died in a hit and run accident in Cyprus. According to Trepashkin, his supervisors and people from the FSB promised not to arrest him if he left the Kovalev commission and started working together with the FSB "against Alexander Litvinenko".[95] Commission chairman Kovalev summarized their findings as follows:[96] "What can I tell? We can prove only one thing: there was no any training exercise in the city of Ryazan. Authorities do not want to answer any questions..." Now, where I am consistent is - I think those FSB and Putin if he was involved deserve the death penalty as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Locking it up as this discussion really has to nothing to do with this forum and it's skirting way close to politics, which aren't allowed in the general discussion forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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