Halmbarte
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12 hours ago, Centurian52 said:
The L23 APFSDS doesn't enter service until after CMCW's timeframe. So the Chieftain is still using the L15 APDS, which doesn't outperform any of the M60's AP ammo except perhaps the M728 APDS round at some ranges. Still, a larger caliber means it can fire a bigger HE round. And the Chieftain has a HESH round, while the M60 (at least in-game) only has HEAT for anti-personnel work. So the Chieftain will not outperform the M60 in this timeframe in anti-armor work*. But it should be much more impressive when performing anti-fortification and anti-personnel work.
The gun itself is probably better than the M60's gun. But a gun by itself produces no effect. It's the gun + ammo that actually has an effect.
*Excepting that it may be more accurate than the M60A1. Certainly more accurate than the base M60A1, though I'm not sure if that still applies after the assorted RISE, RISE+, and RISE Passive upgrades.
When did Chieftain get laser range finding?
It’s always disheartening to be up against T55s with M60A1s only to be outshot at range and then realize that the T55s have the strap on laser range finders.
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9 hours ago, danfrodo said:
So the chieftain gun not any better than the M60 gun? Maybe some experts here have some insight on this?
Leaving aside the details of the LOS armor (or would it be armour?) and the gun caliber, I was more going for the tactical impact of the Chieftain.
The gun is going to struggle against T64s, and it is going to die from frontal shots from Sov 115mm or better guns (and probably 100mm HEAT from T55s).
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2 hours ago, danfrodo said:
Thanks for sharing this. I knew very little about chieftain except that it had weird engine. This was a really good primer. I really like the sloped turret on the chieftain, nice design. Looking forward to using it against them dang commies.
I am too, but I know it'll probably be a bad as the M60 vs the Sov stuff.
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Emergency heliograph? Semaphore? Flare pistol?
I'd agree that's probably a bug since I wouldn't expect dismounted tank crews to have radios except maybe in BS.
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For me the WWII titles are more difficult because pretty much most battle devolve to an infantry foot attack, which I find hard to coordinate. Getting the troops there on time to meet up with the artillery support ends up being really difficult. Not to mention micromanaging a battalion infantry attack can get really tedious.
My favorite is CW: you have forces that are balanced and everyone is motorized. Plus even a Sov battalion of motorized infantry is easier to manage than the WWII equivalent.
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6 minutes ago, PEB14 said:
Thank you gentlemen. So no scout team for the Panzergrenadiere, only half-squads and SPW support. Up to now I hadn't much luck playing this way (true, I didn't really use the SPW as a base of fire squad), though…
Oh please @Bulletpoint !
I used to use my destroyed Panzer crews for scouting, but out of shame I don't do it anymore…
For late war, just round them up, give them some K98 rifles, and use them as infantry.
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35 minutes ago, PEB14 said:
I get your point, but I think you're slightly "off-doctrine" here. IIRC the halftrack is not supposed to be a weapon but only a transport mean (providing the mobility you're rightfully claiming). Nothing forbids to use the SPW as a third MG support team, but that's not what it's designed for. And I still don't know how I'm supposed to scout with those damn Panzergrenadiere…
I may not be remembering right, but I think using the mounted MG for fire support is explicitly in the period doctrine & training manuals.
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42 minutes ago, weapon2010 said:
So the switch to CM2 ,BF through us a curve ball and went modern and no one expected that, so the switch to CM3 will be the same pattern? but maybe to a WW1 or Civil War setting ? I doubt it myself from a $ perspective , but these gents are unpredictable, remember one of the main reasons for the modern switch was to "re-charge their batteries".
Starship Troopers?
The book, not the movie, obviously. We can already simulate a mob with small arms and no support weapons wandering aimlessly.
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Just now, Vacillator said:
Yeah, and I think this is why I was jokingly asking about Soviet doctrine earlier. But bugger doctrine, we're playing a game here and I need to see Dave's unfriendly TOW (and other) teams sooner rather than later.
Another option is to ask yourself 'what is the perfect place to put that ATGM?'
Then you shell that area to suppress any potential ATGM assets.
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On 4/12/2024 at 9:34 AM, Vacillator said:
Yes, you're probably right. I did happen to spot a TOW in flight so I have a rough direction it came from. No sign of anything firing the missile in that direction though.
Like they say, one exploding AFV, shame on you. Three burning AFVs shame on me.
Sometimes, recon by death is how the job gets done. But, have someone on overwatch. Then pull up to the previous terrain feature and kick some boots out* to go have a look.
Recon takes time, but it's usually well worth it.
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*You can dismount AFV crews and have them scout forward if you're short on regular infantry.
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Chieftain V T-62 | Operation Nasr, Iran – Iraq War, 1981
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Looking for some CW action. I'm ok with either US or Sov.
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4 hours ago, Sgt Joch said:
Hi, not sure I understand your point. I did like your earlier post on Russian tactics. My overall point was that players should not feel obliged to play a certain way, but should use whatever plan/tactic works best in the situation. By 44-45, tactics used by all combatants were pretty similar and the characteristics pertinent to the Russians: greater tolerance to casualties, TO&E, artillery restrictions, etc. are already baked in by the game mechanics or can be programmed by the scenario designer.
I was thinking more of strategy & operational actions.
By the end of WWII the Sov was pulling off large scale, combined arms, strategic thrusts that disrupted the German lines and allowed the Sov deep into the german rear areas. The Germans responded by 'holding to the last man' and 'take not one step back', which didn't work out too well for them.
It's like Hitler & Stalin had switched roles by the end of WWII. Which is another reason you shouldn't fight the same people for too long: The survivors are liable to get good.
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5 hours ago, Sgt Joch said:
Just to add to this, as WW2 went on, it was common for combat leaders to use tactics that worked as opposed to following doctrine, which usually meant copying what the Germans were doing. So TC fought unbuttoned, fighter pilots followed Luftwaffe organization and tactics, infantry attacked in small groups with heavy AFV/artillery support, etc. Soviet HQ knew it and looked the other way, as long as it worked. This is confirmed by a lot of memoirs/histories.
Although, by the end of the war, Hitler was channeling Stalin's early war strategy: Not one step back, hold at all costs, attack without adequate resources...
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5 hours ago, Vacillator said:
A purely hypothetical question speaking as a person who has never even played Cold War until now. The question is not based on my first ever Cold War PBEM. Definitely not.
So I believe doctrine says Soviets don't dismount infantry for recon (they're probably in too much of a hurry). And they don't unbutton. Would I be gamey doing either of these games? Hypothetically.
The avoidance of recon by death is on my mind. How un-Soviet.
My take on using the combat recon patrol is you’re supposed to make contact with the enemy. Sometimes your lead vehicle is going to die doing that.
When I’m doing recon with the Sov my vehicles are unbuttoned. I’m supposed to be seeing, and unbuttoned is way better for doing that. If I need to get intel dismounted, and I have time to do that, I’ll go that way.
My take is the Sov tactics are about results: Hit the enemy at weak points with fresh troops that keep arriving in waves until you overcome resistance n break through. If your regimental commander is an idiot this can look like trying to jam a meat grinder by feeding it your arm into it.
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2 hours ago, Vacillator said:
Pierre, I need you to tell me how to do this. PM me urgently
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The best way I know of to do planned fires is using TRPs, assuming you have enough of them.
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7 hours ago, Artkin said:
Dont area target your enemies infantry with vehicles that dont have a spot.
Remove the area target command for MP.
Ehhh, area fire at obvious superb places to put infantry is ok in my book.
If you put an FO in that church tower that provides great observation to the entire match, don't get upset when I blast the snot out of it as soon as I have a LOS.
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Save game?
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12 hours ago, Centurian52 said:
It certainly seems unlikely at this point that the Chieftain will hold up better against 125mm or 115mm HEAT or APFSDS rounds than the M60. Though maybe once we have it in CM the various unusual angles that it might get shot at from in dynamic combat will show that it's actually more resilient than the youtube simulations suggested (maybe its frontal armor can bounce a 115mm APFSDS round if it comes in from about 30 degrees to the left while the tank is in a hull-down position that is tilting the hull up a bit to put the upper front plate at an even more extreme angle...or something).
In any case, I think one of the first things I'm going to do when we get the module is set up a Chieftain and an M60 on a shooting range and see if I can't find something that the Chieftain is more resilient against than the M60. It sure would be a shame if it turned out that all of that extra armor was nothing but a waste of steel and hp/ton. But based on what I've seen so far, my current guess is that the French and Germans probably had the right idea with their light armor/high mobility designs in the AMX-30 and Leopard 1.
I suspect you're right. If thicker armor can't keep out typical threats why bother dragging it around? More weight brings significant penalties to the entire AFV, both tactically and logistically.
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Chieftain isn't going to bounce ****e all from the Sov 115mm or better tank guns, is it?
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6 hours ago, Centurian52 said:
I don't think so. The Chieftain hasn't gotten its newer better L23 APFSDS ammunition yet in the game's timeframe, so it's still using the L15 APDS that it had when it first entered service in 1965. I believe that performs better than the M728 at certain ranges, but not better than the M735. In practical terms the chance of hitting a point on the T64 that it can penetrate should be exactly the same as for the M60, though it may be more accurate than the M60A1.
They aren't that slow. Their mobility certainly doesn't stack up well compared to a modern tank. But I really don't think modern standards are the right standards by which to judge Cold War equipment. The M60's mobility feels about on par with a WW2 medium tank to me.
If I think the M60 is slow I'll have a new low point when we get Chieftain? At least drivetrain reliability isn't modeled in CM.
I do find it interesting both the Sov and UK arrived at opposed piston MBT engines, although they oriented them differently.
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7 hours ago, Alternativeway said:
About that...
I would think the best way is fooling the Soviet tanks, if one of your units Dragons, M150s or M60s gets a chance and has a line of sight on them while your opponent's armour is distracted. That could still be workable and score a hit. Yet, you should always be aware that your enemy will try to deploy their troops to sweep around and attack, they will backed up by APCs and IFVs, or bring in additional they might just send with tanks to deal with you, let alone to mention the potential threat of enemy fire support might already be called, which you should better be trying to keep your units alive longer enough before it's got the perfect opportunity to take a shot.My problem is I frequently run short of distractions to entertain the enemy with as they my distractions seem to get big holes punched in them and/or explode.
Playing the US w/early M60s kinda sucks. They are huge, the ammo struggles against anything better than a T62, the armor is vulnerable to RPG7s from the front, and they are slow.
I'm Playing Meet & Greet right now and my best anti-armor weapon is TOW, but even those struggle to get thru the T64 from the front. My M60A1s have not had a great day of it, but you use the units you've got, not the ones you wish for.
To be honest, I'm expecting Centurion and Chieftain to be similar to how the M60 plays, although I hope that the 120mm can actually get thru a T64 from the front.
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Yet the AI will unfailingly deviate from the route you've set to take a quicker way straight through a kill zone.
Copy/paste orders like Tacops had would solve many of these problems.
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11 hours ago, Butschi said:
I'm convinced that in CMCW I've seen more AFVs die to Dragons than to US tanks (especially the non-TTH variants), so you wouldn't be in such a bad spot there.
Against the T64 & 72 Dragon & M60A1s can get kills from the rear or sides. It's just arranging that setup that gives me problems. The Sov, not being completely drink addled, frequently avoid providing flank shots, the buggers.
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Combat Mission Cold War - British Army On the Rhine
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I’m pretty sure I’ve lost M60s to T55s w/LRFs.
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