Vet 0369

Yeah, shut down the password protected system software used to refine the petroleum, and you can cut the entire country off from fuel; power plants, trains, buses, military, heating oil, etc.

Err, such as tanks,

All the gas turbines, aviation, industrial, marine, etc., that I know of, run on JP-4 or JP-5 (kerosene or paraffin in Europe) or natural gas. The old Soviet reciprocating vehicles such tended to burn a fuel that was only one or two refinement stages above tar.

I would ask if anyone knows how many refineries Russia has. Sure, they are a major oil exporter, but how much do they actually refine for internal use?

Makes sense. Thank you. I didn’t know that stingers are equipped with IFF.

I honestly doubt that the corruption will ever be stopped. I watched a show last night on a cable History channel that detailed how an Alabama oil tycoon, named Davis, who was the largest donor to FDR’s second term campaign, and had access to sit with FDR in the White House, initially tried, at Goering’s request, to get FDR to keep the U.S. out of the war so he could keep shipping oil to Germany. When that failed, Goering sent him either 2 million or 20 million dollars to throw the election of FDR’s third term. Davis was joined by John L. Lewis, the founder and leader of the CIO labor union. They even went so far as to bribe about 46 delegates to the Electoral College to cast their votes for the Republican Wilky (sp?). It failed, and FDR was re-elected for his third term. The entire motivation was profit.

I can see some potential tripping points with the MiG-29s being used as ground attack though. How does a Ukraine with a stinger determine that the MiG-29 is not a Russian? Also, in the fighter role, a radar warning receiver will show that the “threat”is an airborne MiG-29. Sure, IFF will show it as a friendly, mistakes are bound to happen in the fog of war.

If I’m not mistaken, all Soviet aircraft were designed as “rough field” capable, even the Ukraine AN-225, the largest airplane in the world, that the Russians have destroyed in it’s hanger outside Kyiv.

“Squeak,” err “ROAR!”

Probably won’t become a “term,” but I worked with a Soviet Immigrant in the 1990s who was a T-34 driver. He told me that they had a sadistic tank commander, who would kick him in the head to indicate a change of direction instead of tapping. One night while the commander had gotten drunk and passed out in a hut, they backed the tank up against the hut and filled it with carbon monoxide. The crew later pulled the tank away and reported the commander had died in his sleep.

Hey Dan, absolutely no problem! I was wrong to assume that you, like probably 95% of the U.S. population don’t know the history of the region. I, like most males my age, am a military veteran, and grew up in the “50s” doing “duck and cover” drills in school at least once a week, so that probably taints my thought processes. I believe that knowing the history of a region helps to prevent “misunderstandings” and “miscalculations.” That whole region is a quagmire of “they did this to us 500 years ago, so our rage is justified.” My Brother-in-law is first generation U.S. citizen of Lithuanian parents. His, and my sisters last name is Zilinsky. If you did a DNA test of the people in Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Lithuania, and the Baltic States, you would probably find that they would have common DNA.

Yes, thank you for this. This is why I specifically said “has almost always been Poland!”

Excellent link! It explains the quagmire of histories very well. Here’s one for ya.

Dan, please read up on the history of the region. TL:DR, Kiev was settled by a Swedish tribe that were “asked” by the locals to “save” them from the Slavic rulers. The town eventually became the Principality of Kiev Rus (the name of the Swedish tribe was the Rus) which in time included Moscow. So, in fact, Kiev is the ”Mother” of Russia since Russia, was the name the country took from it’s “Mother.” Here’s a suggestion, Google “History of Ukraine,” and you’ll see how convoluted the truth is for the entire region. Everyone around that region, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, can make the same claim to rule Ukraine as they all did, except not under the same names we know them as today, except Poland has almost always been Poland.

Perhaps to indicate “Russian tank.” Similar to the armbands and leg bands. Ukraine uses yellow.

Not if he has one set off in Russia as a “false flag,”and blames it on Ukraine or the West. I feel he is ruthless enough to believe he can get away with it.

That can be excused for your first few posts, until a number of members pointed them out and asked you to stop. Might I suggest that you take the time to read this thread to the end before making anymore of those posts? Then, you can go back and make the posts that you feel are pertinent.

I don’t understand why this should come as a surprise to anyone. The tactic has been used to avoid and bypass muddy, cratered, crowded, or otherwise impassable roads since at least WWII. I might be mistaken, but I believe the bridge at Remagen was a railroad bridge.

The U.S. developed an APC for Airborne and AirMobile infantry in the 1960s and 1970s that were made of aluminum to reduce weight. Too bad Russia copied the concept, at least too bad for them.

I call BS on this one. Why would a Russian Woman “plead the fifth?” Does the Russian Constitution have a “fifth” that protects from Self-incrimination? Maybe she’s trying to say she doesn’t know where she is because she drank a fifth?

Let’s get away from the “Middle Ages” terminology. They are rural farmers, crafts people, mechanics, blacksmith, etc. calling ANYONE a peasant, implies lowest social stature, usually without the ability to better themselves, or even leave the land. Let’s can the Stereotypical comments about anyone.

Unfortunately, I have to say that some one actually reading the text in question surprises me. When I worked for the U.S. Government, I used to write rules and regulations that had to be published in the “Federal Register.” That meant they had to pass constitutional muster, ac conversely, we had to be pretty familiar with the U.S. Constitution. What stuns me is all the people who state, “this, that, and that other thing violates my constitutional rights!” The most surprising were the Politicians, media, and talking heads out of Hollywood. You’d think that before they opened their mouths, they’d actually READ the Constitution, and not just the Preamble. My 73-year old Sister is taking an online class on the Constitution (I guess our arguments regarding certain “rights” as actually being in text in the Constitution, and some that actually aren’t, actually triggered her to want to understand it, and we both went through school when Civics were part of the curriculum. If you don’t know what Civics Classes were, you are probably younger than 60. Any how everyone, make sure you’ve actually read the pertinent documents before making comments that can embarrass you.

I can definitely support a no-fly zone if it’s initiated and patrolled by the Peoples Republic of China. That would actually be a win-win for Ukraine and PRC, but a lose for Russia.

Any action that Putin can goad NATO into other than sanctions is a win for him. That way he can say”See, I was right all along, NATO is a threat to Mother Russia!” I hope everyone has the sense to notice that despite his threats, there have not been any cyber attacks against any NATO member. That speaks volumes right there. NATO is virtually begging him to use a cyber attack against any member!

Most likely effective against small arms fire penetrating their radiators, but nothing more.