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Ukraine can always say what they need to say to get Russians out of Ukraine then be as truthful as Putin in the follow-thru. Say they won't join NATO, get Russia out, stop the killing, then join NATO. Russia falls into a great depression, not capable of any further offensive action, NATO secures Ukraine as Putin gets overthrown. Maybe just wishful thinking, but at this point, if Ukraine breaks long term promises to Russia whilst gaining peace, I don't think the world would consider that treachery. More like justice.

Do we have any video footage of Javelins in action. I've seen several other ATGMs and many after action videos, but I can't think of a known Javelin hit, but then again, I may not know exactly what to look for.

John, ignore me. I had the TU-95 ceiling at 13,000ft not 13km well within range of the better MANPADS. I was just off by a factor of 3.

TU-95 doesn't fly high enough to get out of the range of Stingers and Starstreaks, as I understand it. Prolly the higher it flies, the less of a bombload it can carry. Plus Russian arty should be able to rain down that kind of destruction, if they haven't run out of rockets in Syria.

Wow! About to cross the 6000 post mark. That's a lot of messages to catch up on if you've been gone for a couple weeks!

Yes. We are definitely in an anti-Russian echo chamber here, but I believe much less of one than most places you can go on the internet. I would encourage posting of both Ukrainian and Russian losses and victories here so that we can see both sides of the coin (unless this really upsets our Ukrainian friends @Haiduk @kraze and @Kraft. If they can stand it then go right ahead and post them). The only thing I don't want to happen is political arguing or anything that will derail the thread. Technical arguing, strategic arguing, for sure, but we have to leave the politics out and try to figure out what exactly is happening on the ground to the best of our amateur armchair general abilities. Some much less amateur than others. If I misspoke or forgot something, please chime in @Battlefront.com and @BFCElvis.

+1 (I wish you had an upvote button Steve)

Had me fooled too @Thomm

@Ultradave, you know a lot about nuclear power. You don't happen to be a nuclear engineer?

That is some intense footage @Kraft ! Can you tell if that was folks watching a replay on the screen or actual live footage as it happened? Pretty scary.

Great find! Battlefront/Elvis confirms it.

@Battlefront.comSteve, I created a quick battle to just play a bit of what is currently going on. Some things I noticed we need to add to CMBS DLC pack: Ukrainian drones. Varied western AT weapons for Ukraine. Varied western MANPADS. Captured Russian equipment. Heavier personal armor. Ukrainian irregulars. UKR Foreign Legion with light and heavy weapons. Russian "V", "Z", "O" etc... markings (that would make a good mod). Trucks that immobilize themselves because of Chinese tires. Equipment that either randomly break during the game or start out with down systems. Engine Updates?: Remote firing SKIF (if doable in the engine). New advance command whilst reversing. Farmer's tractors? Also Many new "Road" or convoy based maps/scenarios. Just to name a few...

Its the leased aircraft fleet that gets seized that is worrying to me.

I’ve seen many posts of Ukrainian infantry armed to the teeth with AT weapons. These guys would be considered heavy infantry at this point?

NATO Exercise COLD RESPONSE close(ish) to Russian Ports in the Artic.

I'm convinced that the design of a T-90 = T-80 = T-72 = T-64 = T-62 = T-55 with a few cardboard boxes taped to it for looks.

Had a go at it. Found an online site that stabilized videos. Maybe a bit better: tanks (2).mp4

Can someone motion stabilize this footage please?

I really hope so @danfrodo

For reference.

Well said. A no-fly zone is off the table... right now... but what I've been trying to say is that stealth technology makes destroying these S300/400s less relevant. From what I understand (and hopefully is the reality), F-35s and F-22s could enforce a no-fly zone and stay well out of harm from these weapon systems, even at 10%, 5% (, or 1%) of their rated kill ranges. Am I missing something? "Ukranian" forces can take out some of the more pesky air defences in Ukraine. But again I want to re-iterate that Russia will most likely see this as provocation enough to hit NATO forces with missile strikes in the very least. And we don't want this turning into WWIII.

@The_Capt, Have you seen this doomsday submarine, the Belgorod, that was undergoing sea trials last year? Carries the Poseidon nuclear powered, nuclear tipped torpedo: http://www.hisutton.com/Poseidon_Torpedo.html http://www.hisutton.com/Spy Subs -Project 09852 Belgorod.html Also Sub Brief:

If this is the case, do you think Putin's generals will blindly follow his orders to use nukes or chemical weapons?

The younger NATO crowd may be a bit afraid of Russian nukes, but for us old time Cold War 'Vets', him rattling his nuclear sticks at us does not scare us. I grew up in the 80's with the larger threat of USSR nukes hanging over our heads every day. He can threaten his nukes, but we all know that if he uses them it is a death sentence for him. He has no desire to die, just stay in power after his obvious huge mistake. Nukes wont get him any closer to that goal. What worries me is WWIII, admittedly, after Russia's poor showing in Ukraine, I'm not too scared of his Mighty land forces. But apart from a few countries in NATO, it would seem that NATO also has 'let dry rot eat at their tires'. Especially Germany. So again the USA will have to carry a large part of the burden and I don't think the USA really wants to do that right now. If Putin starts serious ethnic cleansing, the USA will be forced to act (by its people). But we really don't want to be dragged into a war with our current administration (*cough*Afghanistan*cough*). My friends who are officers in the military, while outraged at Putin, don't want to start WWIII. Just keep those arms flowing into the Ukraine and let the feisty Ukrainians beat the tar out of the Russian invaders. The sanctions are going to eat Russia alive over the next few months if he doesn't let up. As far as a no-fly zone is concerned (I agree this could cause WWIII). But WHY is no one talking about how stealth will effect the enforcement of a no-fly zone? Think about it. If the Russians can only see our stealth aircraft at best 10% of the range (I'm thinking closer to 1% now) of the current air defenses, then we can sit back and shoot Russian planes and helicopters out of the sky with impunity forcing Russia to ground its air forces very rapidly. Red flag exercises have shown just how effective our F-22s are. There would be no need for SEAD missions and we've had 2 weeks+ to plan our strategies and coordinate our forces. Although there is always going to be risk with even a stealthy no-fly zone, I think the main risk is expanding the conflict into WWIII. Just my 2 cents.

Ha! Steve. Naughty, naughty. That would have been somethin’. I don’t think Putin is very open to taking advice. We may find out, after this is all over, that he had his hands in everything the military did, much like some other infamous leaders.