massive1974

Nope, I'd be happy with the tanks they used: Turán I and Turán II (how imaginative.)

Okay, I get it. Yes, I know, it's a tough assignment but that's why you're the best of the best in this field, right? As I understand now, you don't exclude the possibility of adding these units at a later stage...or do you? In CMBB you had them all, Finns, Romanians, Hungarians that's the only reason why I'm asking.

True that. Okay.

Hm, I can't see how they wouldn't appear in the initial release. They were in action by the end of June already. But anyways, would be nice to have some detail on how/when the Germans' allies appear in the game.

I'm definitely not going to march until the download only option is not up.

Are they gonna be around in the game? Saw a lot of fighting around Prypjat and back all the way to Warsaw.

Thanks man.

Yo! Any word on a release date? Or release week? Or month?

So when is it released?

So it's CMZA next.

Thanks. Pity though...would be a lot of fun. I wonder what the resistance against the idea is all about.

can anyone tell me if there ever was talk of a pacific theatre setting for CM?

Well, it's more like trying to discuss higher mathematics with someone who suddenly says: 2+2=555.

Nothing to discuss at this stage unfortunately. "Jewish Bolshevism" did it for me. That in itself speaks volumes. What you call facts and what I call facts are light-years apart.

If Hitler won the war there would be no freaking London, Paris, Moscow. You'd be conversing with your inbred blonde blue-eyed Arian buddies on the internet, not us. And what the **** exactly do you mean by "Jewish Bolshevism"?????? Who is moderating this forum anyway?????????

Did the Japanese have official guidelines, policies for the extermination of races or peoples? Did their government consciously organize and systematically perpetrate these crimes? Did they make and enforce racial laws anywhere? Was their end-goal the annihilation of certain races and peoples either in their own society or around the world? I think the answer to these questions is no, while in the case of Nazi Germany, it's yes.

I totally agree with this point. The Iraq war is the best example of how intense a conflict can be and yet you couldn't tell by the number of dead because of advanced casevac and medevac. And still, look at the number of suicides after they get home. This is speculation territory but I think it's no accident that the number of survivable injuries increased together with the number of suicides. Take the joint NFL- Army studies, I think they're still ongoing and they seem to focus on the huge number of survivable concussions injuries from IEDs etc whose long-term effects might lead to suicides. But I have to disagree a little bit on your first point. I think there was a fundamental difference between the racist ideology of the Nazis versus the class-based ideology of the Soviets. That's the reason why you don't see large-scale extermination by the Soviets after or during the war.

My first post was not meant to be a historically accurate assessment of the comparative percentages of prisoners taken in the East or the Pacific and thereby to draw far reaching conclusions as to which front was tougher or not. It was a joke about why I prefer the Eastern front setting for the CM games. Now that it's gotten all so serious, I still don't claim this to be a basis of comparison yet I think compare we can. But not numbers of prisoners. If anything, ideologies and goals (or ideological goals) are a better indicator of how each of these environments were. In the East, Germany was fighting a war of annihilation against Bolshevism and races they regarded as subhuman (Slavs, Jews, etc.). That and the fact that the Soviets wouldn’t give up so easily gives you the mindset with which they fought and the corner in which the Soviets were backed into. They might have given themselves up in great (actually huge) numbers initially but what happened to them? They died by the millions in German captivity (3.3 to 3.5 million, about 60% of all Soviet POWs). How's that for tough? In the Pacific we obviously have a totally different situation and ideologies. But you can't say that either side was out to totally annihilate any trace of the other and made an official policy of this. I know that this is way beyond the scope of the game itself and of the strictly military strategy level but for history, I think it's relevant.

LOL. Yes, I'm joking. That was just my dramatic entrance. But I have to say that my preference for this front of all the the CM fronts stems from this knowledge that I bring in from my readings: that it was a pretty tough environment to be in, as tough as the Pacific, I mean tougher. With all the racist ideology and ****. This was an ideological war of annihilation unlike the one in the West. But I'm only repeating common knowledge so...

Hiya all. so this is the EF thread. Good. I like Eastern Front cause nobody took no prisoners.

Eastern Front, yeeeeeea, the best front of all, yeeeea. I'm back.

But wouldn't it be nice to have a couple of bows from that direction as well? I think people do read reviews. the informed customer does The informed customer is a thinking customer, precisely your target audience, isn't it? Extra publicity never hurts. I wasn't aware though how the process went though so now that you've explained it, I quit worrying. I'm sure we'll see a couple of stellar ones.

Has anyone seen any around? I'm just aching to have it in print (or online or whatever) that I'm actually playing the Wargame of the Century.

Well, I had an awesome moment the other day, I can't find the thread with awesome moments so I'll just jot it down here. Carbide Carbide map, Realtime, almost an hour into the map, I finally managed to cross the lefternmost bridge with some shot up infantry that I put in the houses near the bridge (playing US side) and two tanks with which I crept up on two Stugs in the bocage. With a lot of reloads and for at least half an hour I tried to take out the Stugs with the tanks then with some engineers with AT charges, nothing worked. I just couldn't find and angle. So finally I gave up, left the four tanks hiding in the bushes and went over to the other side of the map to work on the other bridge. About 15 minutes later I hear a loud bang from the back. Whatta? I pan back to the bridge that I've already taken and I see one of the Stugs burning up, crew bailing out and screaming in German. Jeesus. I never gave an order for them to keep on trying or anything I just left it to that, no cover arc, nothing.... The Stug was in the same place I saw it last so they didn't move.... One of the Shermans crews FIGURED IT OUT and they blasted the Stug out of the Bocange just like that. I mean....are these guys ALIVE in my PC and THINKING or WHAT?????? it was creepy. I almost kissed them, they were just too little and too flat.

thanks again