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Italians: AB41 scout car: it lacks its coaxial machine-gun. In real life it had a rear-facing mg and a coax-mg. It's 20mm M35 Breda gun has a blast of only 1 (!). The 20mm Breda AA gun has a blast of 3 in the game, and I guess it should be the same for the AB41 as it was the same gun. It is the same for the L6/40 light tank. Its 20mm has a blast of 1 while it should be 3. AS42 with 20mm AA and the Autocannone da 20 have the right blast values. M13/40: I finally found out that they received their radios from around middle 1941 (source: Gli Autoveicoli da Combattimento dell'Esercito Italiano - Stato Maggiore Esercito). Infantry: squad leaders still have their MAB38 SMG guns. I've never read anything about that. They were very rare,usually only the Paras or the PAI (Italian African Police) had them. Infantry squads used only Carcano rifles and Breda 30 LMGs. [ February 23, 2004, 04:45 AM: Message edited by: Newbtler ]

Hi everybody, thanks Dorosh for making this thread, it helps a lot. Romolus, you wrote: "...Another problem about the Semovente da 75/18 (so as the L40 da 47/32) is the lack of the 8mm (bow) MG..." IIRC, these Semoventi didn't have a bow MG. The 75/18 had a Breda 30 LMG stored inside, and could be used by its crew just in case. I think the same was for the L40. Can anyone help me out in searching when exactly Italian tanks had radios installed? In which period? Cheers, Riccardo

My grandpa (Father's side) was in the 180° Ospedale da Campo (Field Hospital), attached to the 1st "Superga" Infantry Division. He was stationed in Sicily (his division was preparing for the air assault of Malta) then was sent in Tunisia and he was captured by the English. I didn't have the chance to know him, as he died in 1982 by cancer as I was just born. My dad told me he didn't speak much about his war experiences. He just told him that it was an inferno, they were behind the first lines, out of medicins and often had to "steal" many bottles of whiskey from British prisoners to ease the pain of the sufferings. Only 4 or 5 men alive in his small unit, including a medical captain who went to become his friend for the remainder of his life. He sometimes remembered terrific wounds, stomachs opened, and many and many soldiers (Allies and Axis) crying for their loved ones. After the war he couldn't see blood anymore. Well, he was captured, went on the USS "Vulcan" (I can see that in his POW Card), and then was sent to Gibraltar with the Red Cross. He often spoke very well of the English he got to know. Sometimes he was bombed by night Italian planes while he was there. We still have some pictures of him in the war, and his ID and POW card. His brother fought the partisans in Yugoslavia in some big unit (can't remember which one) and came home safely. He's still alive, 80+ years old and looks like he's 30 or something, amazing. He still drives his car. He told stories about Italian soldiers that were taken prisoners who were dismembered and given to the pigs... Well, he still doesn't like that part of the world and their citizens at all. My grandpa's cousin fought as a Leutenent in the Greek/Albanian campaign and later in Russia in the elite "Julia" Div. Alpina. Survived, came home almost by feet. I think he's still alive, but I've seen him so few times I can't remember him very well. My grandpa (mother's side) was too young to fight. In 1943 he was captured by some German troops in his town of Ariccia (overlooking the Anzio town, 30kms south of Rome) when he was asking them for some food, and passed a night with them, scared to death. He was released later. He still remembers very well German tanks passing in his town coming from the frontline, damaged, dirty and some with blood on them. Sometimes he let me see where these units were, or were the flak was stationed etc. He and his family got to know an Austrian who was saved by my grandpa's father when he cought fire from a light torch. His name was Agustin or something and could speak some italian. He told me so many other stories and tales, I could write for hours. Nice thread btw! Ciao,

My grandpa (Father's side) was in the 180° Ospedale da Campo (Field Hospital), attached to the 1st "Superga" Infantry Division. He was stationed in Sicily (his division was preparing for the air assault of Malta) then was sent in Tunisia and he was captured by the English. I didn't have the chance to know him, as he died in 1982 by cancer as I was just born. My dad told me he didn't speak much about his war experiences. He just told him that it was an inferno, they were behind the first lines, out of medicins and often had to "steal" many bottles of whiskey from British prisoners to ease the pain of the sufferings. Only 4 or 5 men alive in his small unit, including a medical captain who went to become his friend for the remainder of his life. He sometimes remembered terrific wounds, stomachs opened, and many and many soldiers (Allies and Axis) crying for their loved ones. After the war he couldn't see blood anymore. Well, he was captured, went on the USS "Vulcan" (I can see that in his POW Card), and then was sent to Gibraltar with the Red Cross. He often spoke very well of the English he got to know. Sometimes he was bombed by night Italian planes while he was there. We still have some pictures of him in the war, and his ID and POW card. His brother fought the partisans in Yugoslavia in some big unit (can't remember which one) and came home safely. He's still alive, 80+ years old and looks like he's 30 or something, amazing. He still drives his car. He told stories about Italian soldiers that were taken prisoners who were dismembered and given to the pigs... Well, he still doesn't like that part of the world and their citizens at all. My grandpa's cousin fought as a Leutenent in the Greek/Albanian campaign and later in Russia in the elite "Julia" Div. Alpina. Survived, came home almost by feet. I think he's still alive, but I've seen him so few times I can't remember him very well. My grandpa (mother's side) was too young to fight. In 1943 he was captured by some German troops in his town of Ariccia (overlooking the Anzio town, 30kms south of Rome) when he was asking them for some food, and passed a night with them, scared to death. He was released later. He still remembers very well German tanks passing in his town coming from the frontline, damaged, dirty and some with blood on them. Sometimes he let me see where these units were, or were the flak was stationed etc. He and his family got to know an Austrian who was saved by my grandpa's father when he cought fire from a light torch. His name was Agustin or something and could speak some italian. He told me so many other stories and tales, I could write for hours. Nice thread btw! Ciao,

My grandpa (Father's side) was in the 180° Ospedale da Campo (Field Hospital), attached to the 1st "Superga" Infantry Division. He was stationed in Sicily (his division was preparing for the air assault of Malta) then was sent in Tunisia and he was captured by the English. I didn't have the chance to know him, as he died in 1982 by cancer as I was just born. My dad told me he didn't speak much about his war experiences. He just told him that it was an inferno, they were behind the first lines, out of medicins and often had to "steal" many bottles of whiskey from British prisoners to ease the pain of the sufferings. Only 4 or 5 men alive in his small unit, including a medical captain who went to become his friend for the remainder of his life. He sometimes remembered terrific wounds, stomachs opened, and many and many soldiers (Allies and Axis) crying for their loved ones. After the war he couldn't see blood anymore. Well, he was captured, went on the USS "Vulcan" (I can see that in his POW Card), and then was sent to Gibraltar with the Red Cross. He often spoke very well of the English he got to know. Sometimes he was bombed by night Italian planes while he was there. We still have some pictures of him in the war, and his ID and POW card. His brother fought the partisans in Yugoslavia in some big unit (can't remember which one) and came home safely. He's still alive, 80+ years old and looks like he's 30 or something, amazing. He still drives his car. He told stories about Italian soldiers that were taken prisoners who were dismembered and given to the pigs... Well, he still doesn't like that part of the world and their citizens at all. My grandpa's cousin fought as a Leutenent in the Greek/Albanian campaign and later in Russia in the elite "Julia" Div. Alpina. Survived, came home almost by feet. I think he's still alive, but I've seen him so few times I can't remember him very well. My grandpa (mother's side) was too young to fight. In 1943 he was captured by some German troops in his town of Ariccia (overlooking the Anzio town, 30kms south of Rome) when he was asking them for some food, and passed a night with them, scared to death. He was released later. He still remembers very well German tanks passing in his town coming from the frontline, damaged, dirty and some with blood on them. Sometimes he let me see where these units were, or were the flak was stationed etc. He and his family got to know an Austrian who was saved by my grandpa's father when he cought fire from a light torch. His name was Agustin or something and could speak some italian. He told me so many other stories and tales, I could write for hours. Nice thread btw! Ciao,

I was playing Medieval: Total war and was wondering: why can't CM get some of its features? There are so many cool things in this game that could be "copied" and simply put in the CM engine. (Just like the Asians did in the past with some cars' mechanics) 1.) A very nice effect is that you can't move in the map too far ahead of your men, as in real life. You can't simply look from your enemy position, nor go there and look at their armor, or see where exactly your shells land. Imagine what an effect could this have in CM: you can see tanks in distance and you can't recognize them exactly; you can see some enemy infantry and you can look at them clearly only when meters away and suddenly you can hear them saying phrases in their languages. It could make the game much more "deep". In order to see better, you should move some friendly units closer to the enemy. I really think it would be a great boost to the game. 2.) Infantry; in Medieval they look almost 2d, but they represent exactly 1 man. Sure they're not fully 3d but who cares? 1 man for every man in a squad. IIRC, Total war can handle as many as 10.000 men and without stuttering or slowing down. I don't really these could be added to the CM:AK game but maybe in the next game... What do you think? Ciao,

Hi everybody, finally I got my game here in Italy too and it's splendid! :cool: Graphics are very good, dust and smoke is fantastic .That's something I've always wanted, dust raised by artillery. It really creates that sort of chaos one can imagine there was in a battlefield. The Italian voices are great, good work! And then... I bought a pair of 3d glasses and I'm currently playing the game in full 3d and it's absolutely GREAT! It's hard to explain in words, but it looks like you're inside the game, giving orders between your troops. Well, this is a Patch request and Bug reports thread, so I begin with what I've seen wrong in the game. 1.) Please, get the Beretta MAB 38 out!. I've never ever read any accounts of Italians having MAB 38 in North Africa. IIRC, only some units of the P.A.I. (Italian colonial police) had them, not surely front line infantry. 2 out of 4 squads in the standard platoon were armed exclusively with rifles. In 1943 some units were equipped with MABs in Tunisia but they were the exception. 2.) There were no Radios in the Italian tanks or tankettes in 1940 and early 1941. I should go and see exactly when they were fitted, but they surely weren't there at the start of the war. 3.) The M13/40 and M14/41 are the same in the game . Actually, in realy life the M14/41 had a more powerful engine of 145bhp instead of 125bhp. The Semovente M41 has the correct data though. 4.) The Macchi C.202 was not available in 1940 and in most of 1941. IIRC it went into action in late 1941 . 5.) Quite important. Please give the Semoventi da 75 their proper HC shells. They were used in moderate quantity and were used to destroy heavier allied tanks. 6.) The Macchi C.200 "Saetta" was armed only with 2 x 12,7mm MG. and not with additional 2 x 8mm guns. And IIRC, the Fiat CR42 used often 2 x 100kg bombs, not a single 550 lb bomb. 7.) Helmets! Pith helmets were used at the start of the campaign and already in 1941 most of the Infantry was using the normal Italian helmet. They could be left to the Bersaglieri only as most of them used this kind of helmet. If any other Italian could help me out here, it would be great. That's all for now. Ciao,

The "Molotov Cocktail" First you drink the liquid, then you use the bottle in an efficient way. Then, all these trucks with a cannon on them, like the Lancia 3RO with a 90mm cannon mounted on top. And all the French tanks and tankettes transformed by the Germans in anti-tank platforms, artilleries etc.

The M11 sucked, but you can't beat the mighty L.3. I mean... what the hell did our engeneers have in their minds? It sucked beyond suck. Oh well. Aries, I've read that the Pz3 could be produced under license, it would have helped a lot. Fiat really screwed everything. The same thing happened when the Reggiane 2000 and 2001 appeared. They were good fighters, superior to Fiats (but not to Macchis) but they were not produced in big quantities. And regarding the Cr.42: even our pilots preferred a biplane with an open cockpit over a monoplane (G.50 or C.200) because they considered it more agile and maneuverable! :eek: :confused: They didn't even consider speed, armament, etc. This speaks volumes about our Regia Aeronautica's philosophy in fighting the next war.

? Actually there weren't M11/39 in the Greek front AFAIK. IIRC there was a Battalion of "M" tanks, but they were M13/40, armed with a 47mm in a rotating turret. All the actions of this unit are described in the book "Il Ponte di Klisura" (The Bridge of Klisura)by Lt. Panetta, and I've never ever read anything like that. This unit fought quite well, it went almost destroyed in the attack against the Bridge of Klisura and against the "Hill 731" in March 1941. Our tanks were so bad I even could believe in what is said. Another strange thing is that the author doesn't mention where this encounter happened; not a name of a mountain, city, pass. "...Although not as well-equipped as the modern, mechanized Italian army..." :eek: :eek: :eek: [ November 17, 2003, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: Newbtler ]

Heh,yeah they really do look weird, but I like them. Here's the other kind of "helmet" used before WW2. Taken from: http://www.bersaglieri.net I just hope we can get them in CMAK, they could make them 2d, like bushes are already in CMBB.

Heh,yeah they really do look weird, but I like them. Here's the other kind of "helmet" used before WW2. Taken from: http://www.bersaglieri.net I just hope we can get them in CMAK, they could make them 2d, like bushes are already in CMBB.

Bump... Bersaglieri helmets. Taken from: http://www.arditi43.com

Bump... Bersaglieri helmets. Taken from: http://www.arditi43.com

I just think that all these pre-war civilian or para-military training was of little use in a modern war. Here in Italy, there were many Youth organizations (like the "Balilla" guys, "Avanguardisti" etc) who trained many thousands of children and teen-agers with physical excercises, map-reading , firing with small rifles. Was this really useful in the war? I think it wasn't. Logistics, weapons, feeding support, fanatism and extensive military training were the keys to succeed on a modern battlefield. I still think that CM is great as it is now, just because we can change every units in the editor, and make them what these particular units were in reality. We can make a unit fit or unfit, veteran or green, add morale or stealth or combat modifier in every platoon or company. Every army in the world had good and bad soldiers and commanders, there were crack and green troops and the thing is that we can simulate this in CM. For example: in the Italian army there were units that were very tough and others that were fragile and were not very useful. Most of these units were made of the same soldiers (and same guys from North or South of Italy), had the same training and weapons as the other units, but somehow they behaved differently. I just think that it's unjustified to create a default characteristic for every nation, even because we can still change our troops in the game, so we can represent what happened in reality. [ October 07, 2003, 04:38 AM: Message edited by: Newbtler ]