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I don't know if you read the whole thing or atleast the part about how it got turned around. I was probally just lucky since I lost one similar to this once before but still, thing's can happen if played right.

That actually isn't a bad idea zapps. But honestly I think it only need's a little refining. If you do it to much then the opisite will whind up happening and Russia will be nearly impossible to beat. The starting unit's might need slight adjustment, but let's not go crazy and make the German opening move a suicide march...

nonsuch, you should read my thread about the Axis to strong vs the Russin's, Turn's out even though it seem's impossible, thing's can turn around.

Yeah thing's in France were pretty rough at first, he had 3 Highly Exp. air fleets behind the lines real far and my air couldn't keep up with them, they pounded my armies, but I landed behind the lines with fresh troops from England across the Calis (sp) using the trick of putting a warship in the london port then when you load your transports they will already be on the coast of france so you can unload right away. he DEFINATLY wasn't ready for that because even though he was beatin up my unit's in western france I cut straight down and to the border with Germany/France/Switz so now basicly France is cut off beside's for it's HQ and the Air Fleets he has on the border have to retreat, and one was damaged badly by my army and that should take some nice Exp. away from it I think this move saved my armies in France, i was getting beat up after a while by the highly exp. Eastern Front troops and Air they brought over. I had already considered your plan to Attack the Balkin's eariler in the game but decided against it because I simply couldn't spare the unit's and was afraid of the German Air unit's that might see the transports. However now I am sending 3 corps across the black sea in order to attack the Balkins, but as of now it's almost useless, the front collapsed so fast you would not BELIEVE it. 3 turn's after I finished off the armies I traped, I had taken back Kiev and for some reason Odessa was left undefended I suppose due to the fact that they are Operating Air and HQ's outta the area really fast, so an advanced corps of mine cap. It also. Minsk will fall next turn it is completely encircled, and the poor unit's putting Lenningrad undersiege were left there by thier HQ Rommel (Who I missed killing/entraping by 1 Strentgh point!!) and got killed by some of my tanks. 1 Problem I am having is that I never got a chance to employ my plan to take out the Air units... and all have been operating back and back as I advance hitting me every other turn or so killing a lot of units. But it really doesn't matter since they have almost no ground unit's left besides in France and I am simply driving forward at a breakneck pace. Greatest game of SC I have ever had, I love SC! Can someone tell me how to take and post a Screenshot? I have one saved of the Traped German Armies I want to show you. It's classic.

LOL On top of the 4 armies and corps mention'd above, I have another German army surronded in the mines north of Sevastopol (which has been under siege but not fallin) and it has 2 bars of exp. Another Itallian Army attacking over that troublesome land-bridge thing to the east of Sevastopol leading the to south of Rostov was beatin back by 2 Corps of mine with an HQ and killed. How do you take Screenshots and post em? you gotta see these poor German's now. LOL

OMG wait till you read this. Remember how I said the Axis attempted to cut the supply route to Kharkov? They sent a lot of armies on the other side of the city and I made my corps supply line from Rostov. Well those armies that went behind Kharkov definatly thought that they and the unit's in front would easily break the city since it couldn't resupply or get new troops there. Well since it didn't fall due to my supply line, the armies behind it were basicly able to do nothing, I did some manuevering and cut them off after 3 turns of them being in the rear of the city, despite the best efforts of some Italian unit's that moved to keep thier supply line open. So I whind up having 2 German Armies with 4 bars of Exp., 1 German Corps with 1.5 bars of exp. 1 Romanian Army with 2 bars, and 1 Italian army with 3.5 bars of exp TRAPED with no supply line and prospect of being able to fight out with 0 supply! IT IS SO GREAT! I already killed the corps and all the armies are below half strengh I had to stop and come post this. Seriously reminds me of Stalingrad in real life. After I kill these last armies the Axis will be in retreat! And I came here thinking all was lost LOL

I made a topic about this yesterday explaining how my game was going terribly because the Axis were simply crushing the Russin's. But let's not forget that in real life... this happened. It isn't suppost to be an easy fight for Russia and they were damn close to losing it no matter what anyone say's. The German's were basicly at Moscow and were close to taking Stalingrad, etc. The farther into Russia the German's push in-game, the harder it is for them to keep up. Around the time they reach Moscow, if you have played as best you could and just simply stalled as much as possible, they begin to run outta steam. In some cases, like mine, it take's some good start. to get yourself outta the hole but if you start the game getting ready to fight in Russia it is a little easy. Obviously you can do nothing with Russia it self but you can start to tie up and kill more German troops and keep as much as possible from the Russin front. It is basicly the best way to win that front of the war, tie up unit's somewhere else.

Steve C, that once happened to me 3 times in 1 game! The allies lost so many armies and such just heading toward my coast and getting bashed by air attacks then turning around. It was such a huge waste, but finally they landed. I think the AI figures it will need so much in order to take france, but doesn't figure for the losses crossing the channel, so when you sink a transport or two it thinks it won't have enough and turn's around. Sadly it costs it self a lot if it does it a few times like in my case.

Steve C, that once happened to me 3 times in 1 game! The allies lost so many armies and such just heading toward my coast and getting bashed by air attacks then turning around. It was such a huge waste, but finally they landed. I think the AI figures it will need so much in order to take france, but doesn't figure for the losses crossing the channel, so when you sink a transport or two it thinks it won't have enough and turn's around. Sadly it costs it self a lot if it does it a few times like in my case.

The Weather is a gritty thing to add to a game. I have seen it in a WW1 game similar to this called Fields of Battle but it didn't really effect thing's to much. The key would be A) Unit movement is slowed Attacking unit's have a negative combat bonus. or defender's have a positive one. C) Diffrent region's have diffrent effects with weather. For example in north africa it probally won't effect much of anything, but deep in russia of course it will.

I know what ya mean man. Being able to turn something like that around is great, reminds me of the real war. I'll keep you all posted.

Well believe it or not guy's I think I am on my way to turning this around... This is what I did, I used the first 4 US armies and an HQ in a plan I had to first attack Iraq, then move up into russia with the force in order to help stem the German flow, and at the same time use the MPPs from Iraq to finance my attack into france. Well it worked beutifully. Iraq fell and I was able to operate my 4 armies and HQ right to Moscow, and a turn before my Siberian army had transfered. The German's are attempting to use the basic city taking tactic of cutting off the supply line to stop reenforcments in Kharkov east of Stalingrad, I realized if this city fell then the Russin industrial heart land south of Stalingrad, I don't know the regions name, would fall and there goes all my oil mines MPPs etc. So what I did was form a supply line of Corps from Kharkov to Rostov to the southeast, and it seems to be working perfectly and the city has yet to fall. Meanwhile I had landed in france and taken brest and managed to kill a German airfleet as well as a tank group and 2 corps. I have a huge force in france and a lot more on the way since the US in making much more now and the UK is no longer in a stalemate fight with the Luftwaffe. I don't think the German's can hold france for to long, and if they do it's gonna be a meat grinder of troops they need on the eastern front. Hopefully, in combination with my siberian army and the US force in Russia, as well as the troops being pulled back to france, I can push back the German force. It's still gonna be a hard battle since they are so close to Moscow and such, but honestly I think if I continue to play right I might be able to pull it off. The 7 Airfleets in Russia are still a problem, but I don't think they will be enough to break my defence for now, and i'm working on a plan to take them out. I hope I can come up with another great plan and make up for my poor preformance prior to the Russin war. This is probally one of the best games I ever had going.

I too have seen the German's remove the Luftwaffe from german just as it is being defeated. Ethier to northern Italy or somewhere else held by the Axis but no where near fighting. Strang lol.

I too have seen the German's remove the Luftwaffe from german just as it is being defeated. Ethier to northern Italy or somewhere else held by the Axis but no where near fighting. Strang lol.

Actually Liam I pulled off a great operation using the Air Unit's pulled back from the front an the two Russin cruisers and Took Finland totally, first time ever I did it while still being pushed back per say. This for some reason seems to have kept the germans away from lenningrad, but it is more likley due to the fact that I placed a strong defence in the hopes that I could turn the war around there. But they pushed everywhere else insted

Thanks i'll check it out. I have to figure something out I really wanna win this one. It's so so tough though, hardest part of the game by far.

It is simply impossible for the Russin's to withstand the German and Italian attack in SC without the aid of a winter or the ability to move factory's etc. If the Axis player is really good, or atleast has a decent sense of what he/she is doing, it is no contest. After all the plunder and exp. gained from the easy countries like France, Denmark, Yugo, Norway, Poland, etc. The attack into Russia is simply to overwhelming, the Russin unit's can barley even damage German one's even if Zuchov or another HQ is involved. This game I have right now, the German's have 7 Level 2 Air Fleets on the Russin front, and they started out with 6 simply because they had so much MPPs, Now at the start the Russin air force cannot compete with any German one obviously, but even after getting level 2 jets of my own and having HQ's around, the exp that they have along with thier own HQ's made them totally devestate my planes if i tried to fight. In addition to not being able to stop them from attacking, thier attacks on ground unit's are even more 1 sided. doing 2-5 damage in almost all cases with no return hits. Meaning they could destroy about 2 unit's with thier Air fleets alone every turn! And if they spread out the damage and let the ground unit's mop up, they could kill even more. I cannot keep up with these losses and the Western allies are basicly in a stalemate with MORE German planes in France. Right now I am going to ethier just blitz across the channel and pray for a port or a string of lucky victories, although it is unlikley because they have atleast 1 high Exp. HQ in france. My other plan's included attack's somewhere in the med and hopefully drawing as much away from russia as i can, but honestly even if I got a good number of unit's to come back, it wouldn't matter. There is nothing I can forsee that will save me. And this is the 3rd or 4th game like this I played trying diffrent strats. to see if i can atleast get some success. Honestly I am not a bad player, obviously not the best in the world but I have been playing wargames for a long time and I have had SC for a little over a month now and play every day. Unless there is something huge i'm missing. If anyone has a workable strat. for this situation please let me know, I looked for a while on the forum but didn't find anything new or that I didn't try already. Thanx for listening to me bitch!

It is very sad that this had to happen. Thank god it doesn't to often. good thread

There are no set time limit's except that the game will end in 1947. So if you can manage to beat all of your enemies at whatever date that is how short that game is, or if you lose by then.

You see i had almost exactly the same amount of unit's in England as you, 2 HQ's and about 7 unit's atleast plus a few Italian corps. But for some reason even AFTER london fell Spain would not enter and the red army is just pounding me.

Seawolf I could not agree more, In the last game I played i was the Axis and tried an early invasion of england, i killed the corps holding london but found out i had no unit's left that could move in, so next turn they placed a brand new corps there and it took me 3 more turns to break it down again. So Annoying.

I failed in my attemt's to get Spain to join in, despite taking London and having a fair shot of defeating england all together. Now i am being trounced by the red army I need a good strategy

I was wondering if there is a good strat. for invading England very early, and having atleast London by the end of 40'? I tried it out and i got across the channel with i would say 90% of my force in the first wave using a built up German fleet to screen and distract the English while my transports unloaded. But after that next few turns my fleet was ethier totally wiped out or to badly damaged to do anything at all. Reenforcement's in terms of new unit's comming across became a total Nightmare and i could expect about 50% losses of the transports but i couldn't afford not to get more unit's to land. The RAF was mostly wiped out by my ground forces that pushed north but london wouldn't fall easily and by the time i had it just about finished off the channel was totally cut off by the Royal Navy. Then of course the US enters the war early, I presume because of my invasion of England but i could have been some other factors, and adds it's navy and unit's the the mele. Finally about mid 41' I managed to break and capture London, and they retreated to Manchester and thing's started looking decent, it would just take a lot of time for me to take the whole island, and the channel being cut off wasn't helping, and i wouldn't be able to afford a navy large enough to do much of anything. Then all of a sudden the USSR attacks me in my almost completly undefended eastern front capturing 1 city in the opening move. I had some troops stuck in france so i got them over to the east in time to slow the russins down but it's pretty apparant that Unless i can somehow totally smash the english and US in England the russin's will drive me back to berlin. The whole point of this experiment was to see if i could get Spain to join in, of course even after the fall of London they never did... pretty much making them ethier out the picture or a huge gamble. Does anyone have a plan that could take out England quickly and allow me to turn on Russia? thanks

It might be just be but if you succeed in invading england during a sea lion operation and/or capture London, Spain is pretty much useless besides for the MPPs. Once england is gone, the US can be taken pretty easily or atleast kept very limited in it's movements while you finish off Russia. Having Turkey on the other hand would be great for fighting the Russins, you could come in totally behind them and hopefully seize the oil fields that drive thier economy, or at least tie up a lot of unit's while the German's drive in.

Shaka, do i detect some sarcasim in your response to me?