panzermartin
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2 minutes ago, womble said:
Aye, underground is expensive to build and usually only economically viable where there's a lot of pressure on land prices. I would guess that Ukraine doesn't suffer too badly from such pressures, in a country the size of France with 2/3 its population, so underground parking will be rare, and mostly small where present.
Good points.
11 minutes ago, Taranis said:
If the parking lot is not too deep, it suffices to fire shells with a timed fuze, i.e. they do not explode on impact but a few seconds after hitting the ground and allowing time to explode deeper. There is also the risk of the parking lot collapsing onto the ammunition. And then imagine, the result if for one reason or another it explodes... It's going to make a hell of a crater... Explosion in a confined space never gives good things
Do you remember the bunker buster or the ammunition to destroy the Taliban buried in the mountains?
On top of that, UKR knowing positions of parking lots etc (including in russia, thanks google map) would make warehouses really predictable. (all of this is only my humble opinion of course)Yes, it makes perfect sense thanks for the insight. I was wondering whether the HIMARS has a penetrating mod, in my mind most MRLS are "soft" explosives. And I rembered the theater in Mariupol that people hidden in the lower basement survived a direct hit from aircraft strike iirc.
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Will facilities like underground parking lots in malls etc be enough to stop arty and MLRS from hitting storage. I doubt there are so many and large enough in eastern Ukraine though...
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If I were a prisoner and get drafted in the fight I would propably organize with others and try to escape towards the enemy lines with the first chance and probably earn my life and freedom. And that's a plot worth a movie I think
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22 minutes ago, Grigb said:
Unfortunately, I am not talking about any of these. Regulars will not mess with NATO. I am talking about Nationalist Initiative Groups as ISIS-like Toyota warriors. These guys do not care if Article 5 is triggered. They do not have the Kremlin or big bunker to hit. They do not have big military bases or big conventional units. They will disappear among civilians as soon as they feel like it. NATO swift response is actually beneficial to them as it means NATO strikes /invasion that justifies their existence.
Arty strikes at border targets. Cross border raid to hit border guard/police units. ATGM/MANPAD ambush.
Just ask yourself how many Eastern European border units are ready to deal with drone adjusted arty? How many of them are ready to deal with drone coordinated ambush? ATGM/MANPAD ambush? That's where we are heading now unfortunately.
How sizeable do you think these forces are inside Russia? They can make a whole secondary army for instance? If they are not that many its not that big deal.
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2 hours ago, Rice said:
Ok, but as I mentioned, the game still has gone on sale multiple times during the war. Are we going to conveniently forget that? How is that not dangerously close to profiteering as is?
I don't think BFC has complete control over steam sales. They have their own algorithm there. It's rather unfair of you to blame the developers.
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1 minute ago, Grigb said:
It seems to be a political case - Do not leave RU or else.
Yes, probably for joining a US team too. I don't think though he will end up in Donbas.
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6 minutes ago, sburke said:
Elvis and I are pissed- that is a Flyers goalie, and we need all the help we can get.
Oh my, how did he end up in there, is there a possible way out for him? Maybe for the right amount of money
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Re the prisoner thing. To be totally fair, Ukraine did this as well in the early days of the war
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41 minutes ago, Haiduk said:
Sloviansk now
This is very intense, seems they are in a hurry to advance or not?...I dont think its logical for RU to pause and wait for UKR to strengthen their artillery even more.
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1 hour ago, Grigb said:
It is not strange. On the personal level it is convenient for them to demonstrate support of UKR. But they also have orders from their space supervisors to do a bit of propaganda. And that's what they do.
Yes, it is sort of hypocrisy but this is how things work in RU. You can get simultaneously mass patriotic frenzy with mass unpatriotic Draft evasion. Because this way you get patriotic respect and do not get yourself killed.
Yes very probable it seems . But to be honest that kind of patriotism is not only russian exclusive, the most vocally patriotic are sometimes the most draft dodging everywhere.
But truth is the Russians I have met have an indirect way to express themselves, like they need to hide something, soviet evasive decoding? Oh well don't remind me of this story
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Flag waving from space. Strange, these were apparently the same people that were dressed in Ukrainian yellow back in February.
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36 minutes ago, Huba said:
Talking about drones: imagine each carries a Glock. Or a grenade. Or even something sharp. This is seriously scary:
Man, it won't be fair in the future to use these against infantry. Sides must agree, either drones or people.
And our favourite strategy games will be reduced to artillery and drone shoot em up
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13 minutes ago, FancyCat said:
Galeev had a recent thread that was interesting, where he talks about the banning of aid to the separatists by Russians akin to the civil society efforts to support the war effort by Ukrainians we have seen. Galeev's thread is a bit too long and rambling but he suggests something I wanted to highlight. Russia seeks to prevent any civil society from developing, even positive pro-war ones like aid networks to pro-Russian units in Donbas since it bypasses existing power networks and can be beyond the government's influence. Also I guess we shouldn't underestimate the importance of skimming off the top of the military shipments to the republics from Russia that would be harder thru informal networks like aid groups.
I think the point made by many that mobilization is a significant destabilizing factor is important here, destabilization could allow the empowerment of suppressed groups more easily, including people like Girkin who want to go hardline on Ukraine, but the Kremlin found them hard to leash so purged them in the Donbas.
Certainly Girkin would have a better chance of attaining a position of authority when Russia is mobilized then right now.
Yes good points. I guess Russian empire, the communist party, Soviet Union etc has always been like that, so people involved and have a clue, should not be surprised.
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Does anyone else get a feel that Girkin behaves like a hurt narcissist being rejected and ousted from what he would love to take part in.
He sounds really bitter and while his points are valid he is constantly painting a very grim picture of the battlefield for RA even now that a major hub was conquered. Not that he couldn't be right, it is just the vibe I get from him.
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Life in the frontlines is tough
. I wonder how many more fake accounts exist. 
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I don't have the deep tactical understanding some posters here demonstrate but just wondering. If Kramatorsk and Slavyansk fall inside July with a repeat of Siverodonetsk pattern (quite possible given the momentum now) , do you believe Ukraine can still challenge Russian dominance in Donbas. Seems almost a finished case to me. These are the most well prepared and dug in lines UKR had and there are no significant terrain features beyond these. I see Russians sealing the ground all the way in SE until Dnipro before winter comes. Russia can't achieve a big superiority in infantry numbers but so far it doesn't really matter when your hammer is really big (arty) and you only need to clear shattered force remnants and isolated pockets.
Ukraine is also in a transition phase and soon it will be relying solely on western systems but you can't build a truly effective army in few months with random systems getting into the fight bit by bit. (And also getting destroyed bit by bit before making a difference). You have to use a big solid force at once to achieve big gains. No significant tank force and no air power is also a very limiting factor.
From what I can tell at least UKR has been using its new arty systems very carefully and I haven't seen many reports of destroyed m777 or Ceasars, or someone can enlighten us on this. This might be encouraging for UKR side as it could gradually acuumulate a sizeable arty force with preserved and newly trained units and suddenly present this at the battlefield.
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18 minutes ago, Huba said:
You're in for a treat then
There's 20+ hours of this show (or even more, I don't recall exactly), and it's really fun if you can swallow it being so black and white - both literally and figuratively. As a bonus, there's young Pola Raksa running around:
Edit: And the movie about Warsaw Uprising, you asked, is called Kanał ("Canal" or "Sewer"). This one can't be called "fun", its rather sad and depressing, but very good:
Thank you! I had very faint memories of this film, from some 30 years ago, incredibly I rediscover it here. +2 for Pola Raska
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4 minutes ago, Huba said:
Wel, to say it has a cult status is an understatement. A few generations of Poles were raised on it, most actors made huge careers and it was an export hit very popular in the whole Warsaw Pact. I have no idea how many times I sang the opening song while drunk with my buddies
It is available online, and Youtube's auto- translated subtitles are reasonably good:
Authentic "Rudy 102" tank they used for filming, a T34-85 with one side cut open for the cameras is on display in the armor museum in my city:
Bigger gallery
And museum webpage:
Amazing! Thanks Huba.
I've watched many old war films from the soviet era and I find them very well crafted, (with actually not so much party propaganda as well).
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6 minutes ago, Haiduk said:21 minutes ago, panzermartin said:
This looks pretty interesting and well executed for its age
In some scences you can see soldiers with AK-47 rifles or IS-3 tanks
That's nothing compared to the M47s as King Tigers in the (around the same date - 1965) battle of the bulge movie!
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24 minutes ago, Haiduk said:
Ah, this rock arrangement of the "Four tankers and the dog" movie theme - my favorite movie in childhood
This looks pretty interesting and well executed for its age, I searched the title, Pancerni and pies or smth. Mini series. Maybe we could find this somewhere online. Looks indeed like the kind of movie that haunts you as a little kid. Das Boot (in mini series) was the one for me. I was so excited when it was re-eleased as directors cut to the cinemas 20yrs later.
Edit : Another old B&W polish film came to mind, one with the Warsaw uprising and many sewer battle scene. Any luck with that?
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21 minutes ago, akd said:
Probably first footage of Russian T-62M loss:
Wow, they must be thinking they are all incredibly lucky to escape out of an outdated, smoking T 62. Unless it was an engine failure
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5 minutes ago, Huba said:
Kh-22 is radar guided against ship (allegedly can also use this mode against contrasting ground targets, but it's not 100% sure info). In ground attack mode though it will usually use inertial navigation, but as the missile is really 60's tech, it's not very accurate, to say the least.
4 minutes ago, Grigb said:Against ships it has radar-guided head.
Yes, I thought that somehow they would have tweaked the sensors to enhance accuracy for ground use but didnt bother (and propably didnt anticipate they would be using the 60s Kh22 in this conflict)
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Apparently they have been reported Tupolevs with Kh22 operating in Ukraine, since May. Probably they are destocking their large quantities. If they can't hit a factory how they were supposed to be used against moving and armed ships?
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2 hours ago, Huba said:
What happened to Germany was not entirely justified, but in case of Russia this is exactly what they deserve. Will that radicalize them even more? Perhaps, but in comparison to Nazi Germany, Russia is really very weak when compared to the countries that oppose it. After Ukraine is admitted to NATO, Russia can stew in its revanchism as long as it pleases.
What I'm afraid is rather a North Korean scenario. If Russia has enough internal stability to suffer a total defeat in Ukraine (i.e. being pushed out of Donbas and Crimea) and not collapse politically, what then? A decade of Sitzkrieg with occasional cruise missile bombardment or cross-border raid? Driving on Moscow?
It's a worrying scenario. North Korea might look cartoonish in comparison right now, but imagine that with the size and weight of Russia.
In regards to comparison with Germany, pre WW2 Germany was pretty weak as well. And a more "normal" western country before getting sick with the national socialism poison. It didn't take many years to become what it became. Russia is a lot crazier country as it is, a mystery in a riddle as Churchill had once said and any prediction of where this will lead "contained" for a few years is risky. All these years, having relatives that went through the WW2, civil wars, dictatorships etc I have been thinking how incredibly lucky our generation was and the thought that all this was an temporary illusion comes from time to time. I hope we are not the unluckiest ever but maybe it's just my pessimistic self again.
There's 20+ hours of this show (or even more, I don't recall exactly), and it's really fun if you can swallow it being so black and white - both literally and figuratively. As a bonus, there's young Pola Raksa running around:
How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?
in Combat Mission Black Sea
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I guess, unless they have zillions of ammo and they don't care, they should at least try to hide them somehow.
On the other hand we probably don't get a clear picture of the material losses from distant fires and columns of smoke. (they might not be as huge )