bboyle

It looks like I am out. I won't be able to make it until 9:30 at the earliest.

So the big question is....if the Allied player uses good tactics do we get ahistorical results?

Hmmmmm...I'll be hitting stuff til about 9 but I will swing by thereafter if I can just in case any of you drunks are still around.

Do tell! What was wrong with British tank and combined arms doctrine? And how can we avoid their mistakes when we have the Brits? BTW, did the British tactical appraoch change? Looks like the got the hang of how to attack by the time of El Alamein--but I don't really have a detailed knowledge of the tactics of that battle. </font>

Well, I don't necessarily think it needs to be that way (the 8.8 gunning down part). It happened in large part because British tank and combined arms doctrine was faulty and they paid the requisite price. Alan Morehead's book on the North African campaign, while written from a journalists viewpoint, is very enlightening on this topic.

I will be able to make Tuesday the 22nd if you guys stay out late enough...what was the meet time?

Plus the jukebox is fantastic.

I'm a maybe but I can certainly suggest some good bars either way. You want trendy/non-trendy/pub/club....hey, in fact, how about Buffalo Billiards? Good bar, decent food and you can play pool while you guys grog out.

None. All the best, John. </font>

Anybody feel disposed to post an aar?

I'll be there...

I'm in.

How about the 22nd?

I'm in...let me know when you want to do it. Just don't stick us in some lame Arlandria faux-Irish pub.

LOL...really Shoerner, as if the Western Allies had much of a choice under the circumstances. I'll check out the book tho I suspect I will have a more sceptical take on the numbers than you...and before you whip out the obscurant myth of 'selective mass media' you should learn more about who you are talking to before you decide where their point of view originates.

I'd be interested to know the sourcing for 60 million killed by 'Bolshevism' (the use of that term in such a general way does not make alot of sense historically, btw, but I digress). I have seen some pretty sober analysis that go anywhere up to about half that for Stalin's misdeeds but I'd be curious to know if your number is just a throwaway or if there's some fact to support it.

Weren't fusil's a rifled musket? My impression was that the term 'fusil' is the same root word that you seein 'fusilli' (yes, I mean the pasta). The corkscrew referring in the case of the musket to the grooves inside the barrel. Anybody have any idea if that's accurate? [ October 28, 2002, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: bboyle ]

I just had a Trainspotting flashback....fantastic stuff....

Oops...hit the wrong button. Actually, if your read the vet's recollections of the event they point out constantly that they did things that morning that were extremely foolhardy that they would never, ever have done even a day or two later. And FWIR, the actions of the unit in the movie were based very closely on what actually happened. In short, it certainly wasn't a typical action with typical losses but maybe that's why Winters was a Major at the end of the war, eh? [ June 12, 2002, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: bboyle ]

Anyone else think we are at the 'don't feed the troll' point yet??

Now THAT would be badass operational.....

Can anyone else not find the demo???

Oops...send it to waboyle@aol.com. Thanks

Send it and I will give it a shot.