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Damn, waiting is killing me... I just sent an e-mail to the Italian distributor of CDV. I just hope he tells me October 4th as the British version. If he doesn't, maybe I'll have to order from the UK I guess.

Today I got a reply from CDV, and they definetely said that they really don't know when the game is going to be released in all Europe. They only know for sure that the German version will be out on Sept. 20. Then he told me if I wanted to pre-order that copy, but since the only German words I know are tank names, Blitzkrieg, Gestapo and the lot, I told him kindly that it wasn't the right thing to do. Now I was wondering: and if by chance I order that German copy, and some kind soul from across the Atlantic could give me the .exe file via e-mail, could the game run like the American one? Does the European version has different kind of files? Is it legal to send that kind of files via email? Or all of them together? Any thought please? [ September 17, 2002, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: audace ]

Ales Dvorak, and that said by a Slovenian?

Ahhhhhhhrrrrrgggg..... the Germans are getting the game earlier than us.... grr now that's annoying and irritating. [ September 16, 2002, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: audace ]

Ciao WereRabbit, e benvenuto nel forum di Battlefront. Siamo pochi Italiani qui, io e Francesco. Ancora un mesetto circa per CMBB, con cui finalmente potremo giocare con le nostre truppe in Russia.

Yeah MikeT,I hope that at least an US gamer can post some pics when the game is released there. I still have to wait for another month it seems... Trieste is a great city. A relative (mother side) died in the First world war, in May 1917, just after few months in the trenches. We went to the big 3rd Army memorial in Redipuglia (near Trieste) last year to see his grave. Apparently he died just few kms from the memorial.

I don't know if you can see them. However, the album is here: http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291360625

Part of a patrol unit, after returning to our lines Medium caliber cannon in action (75mm) Mali Taronine, Januray 12 1941. Alpini of the "Cividale" battalion, of the 8th Regiment of the crack "Julia" Division in one of the numerous counter-attacks against Hill 1817. Over the edge, there are 3 figures of greek soldiers. Bersaglieri advancing with L.3 tanks of the "Centauro" Armoured Div. Erseke, April 18 1941. Some men of the assault troops ("Arditi") of Battalion "Intra" MG team leader of the M.S.V.N., veterans of various campaigns , armed with a Moschetto Mod.91 TS. [ September 15, 2002, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: audace ]

Since it looks like I have to wait for another month or so for CDV to release the game here in Italy, I add some pictures of Italian troops fighting in the Greek Campaign. They were taken from "Immagini della Seconda Guerra Mondiale - La Campagna Italo-Greca (1940-1941)" (good pictorial book, with around 350+ photos of the Greek campaign". I still have to buy the North African version though. Hope you enjoy them. Breda 37 HMG in action Grenadiers waiting to resume the advance in March-April 1941 Italian and German troops together in the Albania-Jugoslavia border A Breda 37 team under shelling, firing on enemy troops A Greek shell lands near an infantry section ready for the assault A Breda 30 (6.5mm cal) section A Mortar (Mod.35) team Mount. Kudrevica, March 1941. An 81 mortar of the Inf. Div. "Brennero" in action. [ September 15, 2002, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: audace ]

Thank you guys. It's amazing how many things you can learn in this board.

Ok, I may be not the first person to ask this, but I was wondering why Russian soldiers during WW2 refered to German troops as Fascist instead of Nazis. I read it so many times, I didn't even care, but I've never understood why. Maybe is it something from the Spanish Civil war or something else? Can some of you enlight me? thanks

My 2 copies(One for my brother too, who's an Officer) of CMBO came really fast indeed. Any of you know a good British web-site that is selling CMBB through Europe? [ September 13, 2002, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: audace ]

You're worried if you're getting the game in the UK by October 4th! Damn, I really don't know when it's gonna come out here in Italy. Probably, we have to wait till mid october. :confused: Quite depressing... I won't visit the forum from September 20th on, so I'll try to be as cool as possible.

Cool site Poobear, the box art is really cool. The Breda 30 LMG in the foreground is very nice. vondeath: yeah, I have that mod, and it's really interesting. The M14 and the Semovente are very well done indeed. Gunnergoz: really?? What branch did he serve into? My grandpa fought in Tunisia during WW2, in the "Superga" Infantry Division ( it was tasked to take Malta before ). His brother (Leutenent) fought in Greece and JUgoslavia. Yes, when the Bersaglieri pass by, it's really thrilling. I once had site where you can download all the Italian military marches, but forgot it. If I'll find it again, I'll post it here. Hi John: yes, the 47 will be really fun to shoot with I guess! I've always liked that weapon, (as any small caliber anti tank gun or artillery). It couldn't pierce a Matilda or a Valentine in the desert, but it was still a good gun. It even had Hollow charge shells, but they weren't that effective (too small caliber for such a round). MGs were kinda bad; almost every MG type had a problem. Breda 30s were too complicated, they jammed too often. Fiat Mod.35 were belt-fed but it was another bad weapon. Prone to jamming too. Breda 37 were the best of the lot, but still a top-weight MG for its time. And it could only fire magazines of 20 rounds each and its ROW wasn't that fast. I think that the only weapons used during WW2 that we can be proud of ,are: MAB Beretta 38 SMG and the Beretta 34 pistol. Breda 30 Taken from http://www.stormpages.com/garyjkennedy/Weapons/infantry_weapons_of_world_war_tw.htm [ September 13, 2002, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: audace ]

That's ok, I'll have to wait some more days then. In the meantime I'll show some pictures of Italian troops in Russia. Bersaglieri Fighting in Stalino Mopping up 47/32 Mod.35 anti-tank gun MG in the Don Breda 37 Alpini's 47mm antitank gun in action [ September 10, 2002, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: audace ]

Our 3rd Cavalry Regiment "Savoia Cavalleria" made one hell of an attack to break through enemy forces, and liberating friendly forces near Isbscenskij. Probably (but I'm not so sure about it), it was the last charge of WW2.

Ciao Francesco, hai ricevuto la mia ultima email? A risentirci! :cool:

Actually I think all Armies in the world didn't care "too" much for their soldiers. As they were that: soldiers. Now, comparing German vs Commonwealth or American Armies is wrong I guess. The Germans executed more "cowards" since they were losing the war, and the Allied didn't really need to execute their soldiers as they were winning. For what it's worth: in the Italian Army, there were some men shot, but they were single cases. I read some accounts about the Greek campaign, that said that some Carabinieri (MP) units began to fire and to kill retreating troops. These troops were retreating because some idiotic Generals made everything in a wrong manner, and they didn't have any fault in the disaster. Well, some people died. Apart from that, I don't reckon reading anything similiar during WW2. In WW1 there were THOUSANDS of "military justice" cases, many men died. Carabinieri were behind first lines to shoot at retreating troops. Often they wore normal Infantry uniforms, and were among the soldiers, and listened carefully what the soldiers said about the war. One thing they really liked to do was the "Decimation" (from Latin, that means to kill one men in 10). Meny innocent soldiers died for no fault at all. Here we sometimes say that there were more men killed by our own troops than by the Austrian during that war. [ September 06, 2002, 04:32 AM: Message edited by: audace ]

C'mon , is it that difficult to take a single small picture?? :cool: Don't know. A 47mm anti tank gun, or a Bersaglieri squad, or a little L.3 tank would be ok.

Shameless bumping... Thx Panzer Leader. I must repeat though, to be honest, that that mod was made using an already good front-side-rear picture of that Panther. The work I did wasn't too much. I should say that. Matt? Still no pictures or answers though... Any info or screens ?

And so I bumbed...

Hi everybody, the demo is simply GREAT. The best wargame I've ever played. I was wondering if you could post some screens of some Italian infantry, or an anti-tank guns, or a little L.3 tank etc. Will we see different kinds of Italian infantry, as Alpini, Bersaglieri and normal Inf? Will they have their real-life plume helmets and Alpini hats?? MadMatt, a bone? [ September 03, 2002, 04:14 AM: Message edited by: audace ]

Hi Dryfear, I don't know if that was an HQ or not actually. My grandma remembers that a group of around 10 or 15 people went into their house and told her family to leave, as from that moment on it was their house. Maybe it was just a patrol and nothing more, and they thought it was an HQ. Her house in Ariccia (it's in the "Colli Albani" region, very near to Velletri) was in a position where you could easily see the Anzio beachhead. She remembers all the ships down there, and everyday there was shelling even at that distance. My grandpa lived on another part of Ariccia, not too far, and his house wasn't requisioned. He still todays always tells us that German soldiers weren't bad as everybody say, and that they were good soldiers and good people. On October 9 or so, again in Ariccia, there was a little shooting, when some Italian soldiers who were closed in the Municipality exchanged fire with the Germans after the Armistice. He remembers that there were this rifle sounds in the center, and screaming all around, and in the end the 4 or 5 Italian soldiers were dead and the Germans captured the municipality. He still remembers how only ONE single German soldiers could command the entire town. He would be there in the square, with his "Machine pistolen" (he still remembers the word) and that's it. Another thing he told me was that he remembers that almost all of them had a narrow red strip in their jacket, and they thought that was because they served on the Russian front before. Once I showed him some pictures of Panzer IV, StugIII , Tiger etc, and he could remember them. He clearly remembers the "Tiger" tank, but maybe that could have been a PZ4, and the people thought it was the feared Tiger tank. They went just meters away from his house, usually during the night, and they were around 4 or 5 tanks, no more. Maybe it was a little detachement. I really asked him so many times who this Joachim was, or if they remembered something about his last name, or other things. They only knows his name. When I ask him about that soldier, he just say that he hopes he survived the war. There are so many other stories... When the US bombed Ariccia to stone age! When he saw a German bomber plane alongside the road that from Ariccia goes to Rome. When Allied planes came every night to throw bengalas on the big Ariccia bridge by night and bombed it. etc etc I've always been fascinated by their stories, it's good to remember them. My other grandpa instead was in North Africa, Tunisia, 1942/43. His brother fought in Greece and Jugoslavia.

Hi MikeT, really a long time! Yes, I've read that basically we thought that a "future war" could very possibly be fought in the Alpin mountains, and that's why L.3 and M.13 tanks had narrow tracks. What I don't understand is why we didn't develop a tank type to be used in North Africa. The P40 was almost ready by the end of 1940, and I really think it would have had a good impact in Lybia and Egypt at that time, with its good armament. But yet, there were problems with its engine, and its development was delayed until 1943, something unbeliavable, and of course nobody paid for that. Italian tanks' armour was very bad, brittle and prone to splitting apart when it, even if there wasn't a penetration as you said. And if by chance it didn't split, rivets flew on the inside injuring or killing its crew. There was almost no chance of survival if the tank was hit. In a great book I have, about an M13 commander experience during the Greek campaign, the writer remembers when they went to Ansaldo machinery in Genoa to take on their new M13 tanks. There was this colonel who instructed the new crews about the tank, and it's interesting to note that even at that time, before the tanks themselves were being engaged, their faults were already known. Here it's the quote: "...Fire and movement, and breakthrough if that's achievable. Go tightly against your enemy until it collapse. That's the way to fight in a Medium tank. So, even if the armour is vertical and built of cemented steel, go on and fight. The power of the tank is in its fire and in its manouver and you have to be demons in these M13s. Remember: never stop in a fight. Eventual "stops" have to be dynamics, so other tanks can go on and fire on the enemy before it's your turn. Stopped tank, dead tank. And forward, always forward; first gear, second, third and fourth. Enemy tanks, artillery pieces or anti-tanks guns ahead of you? Fire as soon as possible , one shot after the other, without fear. The first who fires, wins. You shouldn't let the enemy fire before you. If the enemy is faster, you are hit and knocked out..." There are some very nice pictures that shows some action, some penetration shots on M13s by 37mm anti tank guns etc. The writer's tank was knocked out finally, by a single 37mm shell that killed the machine gunner and the pilot. Indeed, one must have been real corageous to fight in these coffins. [ August 20, 2002, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: audace ]

This is the L.6/40, used on the Eastern front too. Another crap tank though. L.6/40 stands for= (L)ight tank (6)tons/ 1940 L.3, Light tank of 3 tons M.13 , Medium tank 13 tons etc. M13 and M14 weren't used on the Eastern front.