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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387

If you keep offending them they will ultimately run out of missiles, but alas I fear they will have hit all your power plants. I guess when they run out we shall see how effective Iranian missiles are and what their manufacturing timescales are. Israel might have less trouble as the focus shifts to Ukraine. A pity Israel doesn't view the Ukrainian plight strongly enough to sell its missile defence system to Ukraine. Let's hope those helping Ukraine can provide better protection soon. In the meantime please let's all keep offending Russia to the best of our ability.

Could be that plan was discarded after some private chats after Russia floated the dirty bomb idea. I do get the sense that they would quite happily destroy Kherson if Ukraine took it back. Let's hope Ukraine can work on a plan to screw Russia over without taking too many losses. I fear that might mean Kherson is not taken as quickly as we had hoped.

Could well be the case. But helmets will be needed to keep population safe from all that goes up - falling back down again!!!

Not if the political landscape changes... I do think it is great that America (and Europe) has helped Ukraine but the sooner this is done the less chance the political landscape will change.. Also less Ukrainian deaths and destruction and the world can try and recover sooner!!! I hope any Americans reading this write to their Congressmen and Senators to try and impress on them this is a once in a life time opportunity to defeat Russia with a just cause, without risking American lives!!! Meanwhile in the UK we are waiting for the next liar to take office...

Wonder where the missile ended up? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63327999

Hmmm undersea cables are getting damaged. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-63326102

Fishing Nets between Balloons to protect power stations could be a quick fix and if you know the route of the drones set them up ready to pop up when you know they are comming?

2 can play those games. Russia needs to be given a clear message that if they continue the West will supply Ukraine with the capability to inflict a like for like response.

Steve beat me too it, this is more interesting, any sources on who has been nabbed? The Bridge of course was great to see this morning but this snippet from Bill has my hairs up....

Thanks for that update and very useful... My take from that... So just talking the Tac use I think Russia has several hurdles to overcome that could cause them issues. Getting them safely to the battlefield and in a safe position to use will not be easy. We have seen how poor logistics have been and with a dynamic battlefield with drones overhead they might get intercepted. You do need trained troops to use the weapons. The Russians do not have a great track record of training and ability, but it is possible they could find the right troops to take them close to the front. Using Arty to deliver a small warhead is going to be super risky. Using a rocket is way more likely but again they are being shot down and it might not get through. Using Jets well that seems to be even more risky than using Arty at the moment especially as Ukraine is getting more AA systems. Of course Putler could just go for ICBM but if he does that we are into a whole realm of hurt. I still think it is very unlikely but idiots do stupid things like announce an uncosted budget... You kinda hope you don't get idiots in charge but the world seems to have too many in charge at the moment...

Fair enough and maybe they have an agreement in place with folk at the Un if this happens, ultimately it ends up the same place destroying everything we can that belongs to Russia within Ukraine. Which is the kinda of message America is giving, of course they might not wait for the UN but maybe that is worth doing if possible... I don't know how China would vote but it will be a test of their true position.

Has anyone seen a good resource on what Russia can field tactically and what skill level is required for it's use? I am wondering If they have the right skill level currently available as they seem to have sent any tom dick or harry to the front line and those troops might no longer be available. How old is the tech and has it been maintained and how easy it is to keep it viable? The vehicles needed are they specialist ones and would we note it on the battlefield? What sort of ranges for the tac stuff?

Ok so what triggers each level of response? BTW Level 3 and 2 is just what he said so you agree with him on that? I would suspect that the US and NATO response would just focus on units involved in Ukraine and as that pretty much is everything the Russians have it will be enough to destroy the Russian military, what's left of it as Ukraine take a lot of credit for doing most of the work....

I guess I hope we never find out... At some stage you just have to call their bluff because if it works this time they will use it again. Do you have a better proposal on a measure to take when (if) Russia uses a Nuke in Ukraine? Interested to hear what you would do?

Interesting question and what surprised me was even on the hostile borders within Ukraine folk are moving across them. The reporting on the Russian attack on Civvies just inside the current Ukraine front line were waiting to cross back to the Russian side to take aid across. So even in the quiet war zones folks are passing back and forth?

Thank you Some folk do appreciate you know what...

Both France and Germany should be ashamed and called out on this total lack of support... The UK is in for a rough ride due to the current clowns not understanding how to run an economy but at least we do know it is worth supporting Ukraine with a decent amount of kit and training... There are plenty of things France and Germany can do to help with the military aid.

Gents Steve has given clear guidelines of what and how to discuss in this thread. Can we FFS stay within those guidelines? Please...

I think the use of special forces to neutralise the AD assets could be a fairly plausible explanation especially as they would have been easy to identify beforehand.

I did thanks and does explain why they didn't target some other interesting points in the vicinity. I think your analysis is plausible and a very possible explanation of that strike. Let's hope that they can ramp up production.

It might be good to overload them with applicants and bombard that address with "willing" time wasters?

OK thanks for the explanation I agree that Ukraine will not be invading Russia but I disagree that they are on a leash as that implies they are being walked / controlled by someone and I see no one controlling them, people might request they don't do certain things with weapons they have generously given them. Anyway let's hope Russia is undergoing some change of leadership.

Can the day get any better?

Hmmm I did not see Ian write that, you seem to be making things up, perhaps a bit like the leash comment. How is Ukraine on a leash? I would love to see a full explanation of that comment from you. What have I missed about the US relationship with Ukraine?