Foxholes?

[Jonny(FGM)]

Ok I know i'm rather sad but i was reading through the V1.11 feature list and found this

Foxholes are no longer darkened, so they won't give away infantry positions.

How do you get foxholes? I looked in the map editor but couldn't find it anywhere

[Elmar Bijlsma]

Foxholes are a rather generous description of what are minor indentations placed under troops at the start of a scenario. It's entirely possible you've just never noticed them before, they are that marginal.

[Jonny(FGM)]

Ah i see, so if the side is defending they will have "foxholes" placed under them automatically? they don't need to be put in via the map editor like trenches?

[Jonny(FGM)]

Wow that is minor! Can't be more than a few inches deep! Also i notice (I used a marine TOW platoon) that crew served weapons don't get them, well they get the holes they just don't occupy them

[hoolaman]

They are meant to be hasty shell-scrapes type positions and I believe they give an abstracted amount of cover slightly more than they appear to visually.

[Jonny(FGM)]

Really? I thought with the new 1:1 ballistics there is no such thing as abstracted cover any more?

[Ryujin]

There is abstracted cover still as while the ballistics are 1:1, the ground and clutter isn't. You'll see bullets pass through a guy without doing any damage if he's in abstracted cover (often rocky ground tiles, which only have little 2D rocks, but still offer some cover).

[Jonny(FGM)]

Ah ok, thanks for that that should be handy to know.

But do foxholes get this abstracted cover? I don't see any need to abstract the cover, simply make the foxholes deeper, but then i guess they'd be easier to spot by the enemy.