panzermartin Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 I like the game but 90% of the time there is no way to tell if your armor is safe behind trees, even behind the Schwarzwald... My T60 was spotted and destroyed by the PZIVC on the top center of the picture through a dense row of tall pines. Is it possible to fix this? Introduce dense tree areas that block los and are only passable by infantry? Graphics dont tell the truth here. There is indeed some accuracy penalty for shooting through trees but in cases like this there should be no possible way to hit a target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theBrit Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 I heard that trees neither provide cover and only 'DEGRADE' LOS and not obscure it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaPPPa Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 A degraded LoS would be fine, if the LoF would be degraded as well. A tree will stop a shell (once) and not many real-life tanks would want to waste precious ammo firing through a forest like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal DI FOLCO Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 LOF/LOS are screwed as far as obstacles go... I suspect that only *treetrunks* are blocking/degrading, and foliage not at all in neither cases. Eventually just forget about cover, just uses hills/elevation differences to "hide"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pad152 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 The only cover it seems for tanks are buildings! I think the issue is not cover but the relative spotting, where tanks have the same spotting ability as infantry. This is why tanks kill infantry and ATG so easily because they have the same spotting ability. The spotting ability of crews members can increase a lot in just a mission or two with experince. BFC had 1C change increase the ranges for tank battles, but looks like that they didn't modify the relative spotting ability for these new ranges. It's a catch-22 if you reduce the spotting you also reduce the range of tank combat. I hope relative spotting works diferently for CM: Shock Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHAM Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 This is the main problem of this game IMHO. I would like to hear from BF/1C that this is going to be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Got another LOS issue. I get an annoying problem in the Polish missions that crops up over and over again. German tanks will be in open LOS to Polish ATGs, and the target indicator shows this as well. Yet, Both will refuse to engage one another! If something is stopping them, there needs to be a feeback message indicating so, because visually the LOS is perfectly clear and they are at close range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal DI FOLCO Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Yes, spotting is broken also, a buttoned-up tank can magically detect a prone guy 1km away. But this is also linked to terrain "flatness", with obstacles not degrading LOS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fil Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 We can do it, my be but time is required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theBrit Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Originally posted by fil: We can do it, my be but time is required Surely not 'maybe'...its a must if the game is to have longevity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 We have been working on it... But this will be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaPPPa Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Every unit should have a 'size' and 'vision' attribute. Then take the LoS calculator and change it so units with low 'vision' have a harder time to spot units with a low 'size' and vice-versa.. Tanks have low 'vision' but high 'size' and infantry high 'vision' and low 'size'.. Voila, proplem solved. Allegedly bushes already have an effect on LoS. Take the 'LoS degrade' attribute per object and multiply it by at least 2. Every object should also have an 'density' attribute. Take the LoF calculator and if a shell hits an object, the 'density' value has a random chance to either stop the shell, prematurely detonate it or change the path of the shell. This random chance is calculated before a unit decides to shoot and thresholds are put in place to prevent a unit from shooting if his chance to hit due to blocking is too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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