mocdra Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I have played the Demo yesterday and noticed at the Armor Display that,the Side Armor( here i mean the Turret Armor) of the M1 Tanks is to weak modeled against Big Caliber Weapons and at Missiles. There is a yellow Dot ( for Average Armor )instead a Green small cross ( For Good Armor) This with the weak Side Armor is true at the Nato Leopard2 and Challenger Tanks an the Russian T-XX Models but not by the M1 Series. The Turret Side Armor has nearly the same thickness as the Frontal Turret Armor! In the Game the M1 has the Same Side Armor Values as a t72. This is not true or correct Note the Welding Lines at the Turret Roof of an Abrams Tank. Imho that shows the Armor Thickness at the Turret. Following a example because i cant find good Turretroof Pictures from the Abrams Following a picture link to an Armor Diagram from The Leopard 2a4 and a Roof Pic. Note the Welding lines an then the Armor thickness. What do you see? Armor diagram http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/l2.files/leo2armor.gif Pic http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_kpz_leopard_2_a0-004.jpg Now are you know what i mean with the welding lines and the Armor thickness Greetings Mocdra Only the Hull Side Armor is very weak (Sideskirts and 60 mm reinforced Steel with a inlaying ceramic plate only). That have been discovered on Attack with 12,7 mm AT Munitions at close in Range in Iraq. The Bullet penetrates the Sideskirt thenthe Armor,goes trough the whole Tank to the other Armor side and penetrates it to the half. http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mocdra Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 I have played the Demo yesterday and noticed at the Armor Display that,the Side Armor( here i mean the Turret Armor) of the M1 Tanks is to weak modeled against Big Caliber Weapons and at Missiles. There is a yellow Dot ( for Average Armor )instead a Green small cross ( For Good Armor) This with the weak Side Armor is true at the Nato Leopard2 and Challenger Tanks an the Russian T-XX Models but not by the M1 Series. The Turret Side Armor has nearly the same thickness as the Frontal Turret Armor! In the Game the M1 has the Same Side Armor Values as a t72. This is not true or correct Note the Welding Lines at the Turret Roof of an Abrams Tank. Imho that shows the Armor Thickness at the Turret. Following a example because i cant find good Turretroof Pictures from the Abrams Following a picture link to an Armor Diagram from The Leopard 2a4 and a Roof Pic. Note the Welding lines an then the Armor thickness. What do you see? Armor diagram http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/l2.files/leo2armor.gif Pic http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_kpz_leopard_2_a0-004.jpg Now are you know what i mean with the welding lines and the Armor thickness Greetings Mocdra Only the Hull Side Armor is very weak (Sideskirts and 60 mm reinforced Steel with a inlaying ceramic plate only). That have been discovered on Attack with 12,7 mm AT Munitions at close in Range in Iraq. The Bullet penetrates the Sideskirt thenthe Armor,goes trough the whole Tank to the other Armor side and penetrates it to the half. http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mocdra Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 I have played the Demo yesterday and noticed at the Armor Display that,the Side Armor( here i mean the Turret Armor) of the M1 Tanks is to weak modeled against Big Caliber Weapons and at Missiles. There is a yellow Dot ( for Average Armor )instead a Green small cross ( For Good Armor) This with the weak Side Armor is true at the Nato Leopard2 and Challenger Tanks an the Russian T-XX Models but not by the M1 Series. The Turret Side Armor has nearly the same thickness as the Frontal Turret Armor! In the Game the M1 has the Same Side Armor Values as a t72. This is not true or correct Note the Welding Lines at the Turret Roof of an Abrams Tank. Imho that shows the Armor Thickness at the Turret. Following a example because i cant find good Turretroof Pictures from the Abrams Following a picture link to an Armor Diagram from The Leopard 2a4 and a Roof Pic. Note the Welding lines an then the Armor thickness. What do you see? Armor diagram http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/l2.files/leo2armor.gif Pic http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_kpz_leopard_2_a0-004.jpg Now are you know what i mean with the welding lines and the Armor thickness Greetings Mocdra Only the Hull Side Armor is very weak (Sideskirts and 60 mm reinforced Steel with a inlaying ceramic plate only). That have been discovered on Attack with 12,7 mm AT Munitions at close in Range in Iraq. The Bullet penetrates the Sideskirt thenthe Armor,goes trough the whole Tank to the other Armor side and penetrates it to the half. http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindan Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (Weak side hull armor + good turret armor)/2 = Average side armor. Sounds right to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindan Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (Weak side hull armor + good turret armor)/2 = Average side armor. Sounds right to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindan Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (Weak side hull armor + good turret armor)/2 = Average side armor. Sounds right to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Yep, under the hood things are handled quite a bit more complexly. The little graphic is just to serve as a quick rule of thumb when you're unsure of what you've got. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Yep, under the hood things are handled quite a bit more complexly. The little graphic is just to serve as a quick rule of thumb when you're unsure of what you've got. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Yep, under the hood things are handled quite a bit more complexly. The little graphic is just to serve as a quick rule of thumb when you're unsure of what you've got. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Yes, it's ok. Many real M1s knocked out with side shots (not penetrating the turret, just below it or side lowe hull) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Yes, it's ok. Many real M1s knocked out with side shots (not penetrating the turret, just below it or side lowe hull) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Yes, it's ok. Many real M1s knocked out with side shots (not penetrating the turret, just below it or side lowe hull) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mocdra Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 When you get a Hit at the Side that dont effect under normal real circumstances, in the Game the Tank is destroyed or inoperable.. That is not true !. The TurretSide Armor Advanceness and superior of the Abrams ( this is the Reality here) in view of the otherr tanks, than goes to Zero in the Game !. In the other CM Games .. Hull and Turret Armor Values realy important. Now in the game therere are modeled i think, or not? Greetings Mocdra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mocdra Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 When you get a Hit at the Side that dont effect under normal real circumstances, in the Game the Tank is destroyed or inoperable.. That is not true !. The TurretSide Armor Advanceness and superior of the Abrams ( this is the Reality here) in view of the otherr tanks, than goes to Zero in the Game !. In the other CM Games .. Hull and Turret Armor Values realy important. Now in the game therere are modeled i think, or not? Greetings Mocdra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mocdra Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 When you get a Hit at the Side that dont effect under normal real circumstances, in the Game the Tank is destroyed or inoperable.. That is not true !. The TurretSide Armor Advanceness and superior of the Abrams ( this is the Reality here) in view of the otherr tanks, than goes to Zero in the Game !. In the other CM Games .. Hull and Turret Armor Values realy important. Now in the game therere are modeled i think, or not? Greetings Mocdra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 You mean that the game doesn't consider different turret side/hull side/lower hull side? If this is so, that's why they removed old fashioned detail armor hits... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 You mean that the game doesn't consider different turret side/hull side/lower hull side? If this is so, that's why they removed old fashioned detail armor hits... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 You mean that the game doesn't consider different turret side/hull side/lower hull side? If this is so, that's why they removed old fashioned detail armor hits... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 That is true, Hull and Turret Values realy important! Therere are modeled, yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 That is true, Hull and Turret Values realy important! Therere are modeled, yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 That is true, Hull and Turret Values realy important! Therere are modeled, yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Originally posted by Kieme(ITA): You mean that the game doesn't consider different turret side/hull side/lower hull side?Of course it does, and in more detail than before. Which makes it impossible to display in a sensible way (and helps avoid a lot of grog wars, heh ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Originally posted by Kieme(ITA): You mean that the game doesn't consider different turret side/hull side/lower hull side?Of course it does, and in more detail than before. Which makes it impossible to display in a sensible way (and helps avoid a lot of grog wars, heh ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Originally posted by Kieme(ITA): You mean that the game doesn't consider different turret side/hull side/lower hull side?Of course it does, and in more detail than before. Which makes it impossible to display in a sensible way (and helps avoid a lot of grog wars, heh ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mocdra Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 Of course it does, and in more detail than before. Which makes it impossible to display in a sensible way (and helps avoid a lot of grog wars, heh ).Is there a Way to show the right detailed Armor Model ? ... The actual Display in the Game is too simple. I did not like to play an other Kind of Panzers, Sudden Strike or Blitzkrieg!. Greetings Moc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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