Tom Haymes Posted May 11, 2003 Share Posted May 11, 2003 OK, I've given up on trying to run on OS X on my 12" Powerbook and installed the software on my 1998 vintage G3/233 Beige Minitower. It has 354 MB of RAM and is running OS 9.2.2 - the same OS I successfully ran CMBO on on my G3/333 Powerbook for about a year. Here is the problem. I get the game to load, choose a scenario, go through the briefing stuff and see the "Loading 3-D Graphics" screen but then when the actual game screen loads, the program quits. I don't get a "quit unexpectedly" error either. I have now done a clean install of the OS thinking something was wonky there and the symptom persists. Any ideas what is going on? Do I need to run out and buy a new graphics card? I am using the onboard graphics card (RAVE 128, I believe). I love this game and it has been torture not being able to play it the last couple of months. Thanks, Tom Haymes haymest@globalsynergies.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 If you havent upgraded the graphics, it has ATI Rage II+ with 2MB's of VRAM. Not enough. You can check VRAM and similar things from system profiler at the Apple menu. You could probably run CMBO, but not CMBB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Haymes Posted May 12, 2003 Author Share Posted May 12, 2003 I have 6 MB of VRAM on this computer and I think it is a RAVE 128 as card. Any suggestions on a cheap video card to remedy this problem? Thanks, Tom 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Even with the 6MB upgrade, it isn't enough to run CMBB. I know. I tried with a similar setup. I got really strange video effects due to the limited memory. What I did was to transfer a ATI RAGE Orion card from my OS X desktop machine when I upgraded the video card on that one. It is a 16MB card. It isn't currently offered for sale anymore, but you might be able to locate a used one. In any case that card will run CMBB fine (although I haven't tried any truly humongous battles). ATI currently offers a Radeon 7000 PCI card (You will need PCI, not AGP) for $129, which might be a bit more than you want to pay. I'm not familiar with nVidia cards at all, so I can't say what would work there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 To my knowledge, there are no nVidia PCI cards for mac, so that's not a problem. I'd suggest any ATI PCI card with 16MB's or more. The suggested 7000 or Rage Orion would both be fine. BTW, if you're interested in upgrading the Beige otherwise, Sonnet has a bunch of impressive upgrades availlable. Like a G4 processor upgrade at 1GHz. Some relatively cheap stuff too. http://www.sonnettech.com/product/configurator.html If I had an older G3, I couldn't resist stuffing it full of Ram, adding a decent graphics card and a processor upgrade. [ May 13, 2003, 05:51 AM: Message edited by: Jarmo ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Haymes Posted May 13, 2003 Author Share Posted May 13, 2003 Thanks for all of the good advice. I am currently prowling the bargain bins for a used or clearance ATI card with 16 MB on it. I hppe that will get me through CMAK which is what I really want to make sure of. The gol is to make all of this work long enough for the guys here at Battlefront to come out witht the OS X compatible game. Thanks again. Tom Haymes haymest@globalsynergies.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Does anyone here have experience with the PCI 32MB card over the stock 16MB ATI Rage 128 that came with the early AGP G4/400? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 I had a Rage128 Orion 16MB's, the 32MB RadeonPCI I have now is a lot faster. But Orion is not quite the AGP 128pro that's in G4s. I doubt the difference would be significant... But anyway, here's a nice page with a million results with different CPU+video combinations: http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/fpsdb/fpsdb.lasso 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Jarmo, thanks a lot. The main issue for me is how it performs with CMBB. I know from Makjager that the AGP32MB 7000 performs well, but unless he sells me his, there seems to be no way to get one. Actually, just checked, and since I need ADC connectivity, the only option is the 9000. Hmm, more thinking required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwxspoon Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 THe solution is for you all to join the dark side - buy a $500 XP2100 PC and your CM troubles are over. jw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Originally posted by Andreas: ... since I need ADC connectivity, the only option is the 9000. Hmm, more thinking required. I'd avoid the 9000 for now. Seems it's the main problem behind the "psychedelic graphics" problem some seem to be enjoying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Haymes Posted May 14, 2003 Author Share Posted May 14, 2003 Has anyone tried a 3dfx Voodoo3? I found one used for $39 with 16 MB onboard. $39 - sound like a good deal? Thanks, TH 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Haymes Posted May 14, 2003 Author Share Posted May 14, 2003 BTW, as far as joining the darkside is concerned maybe when they can make a laptop like my 12" Powerbook with internal DVD-burner (4.6 lbs.) - then I'll consider it. The mere fact that I still use as my server/desktop unit a computer (my beige G3/233 minitower) that was built in January 1998 also says something. What kind of PC is that vintage and is still usable? I think we are talking Pentium 200 or so? I have a Pentium 2/450 HP Kayak that is a year newer that is collecting dust because I haven't been able to find use for it since my wife gave up Autocad. I'm not even going to mention the 7100/66 that served me well for 8 years until I retired it a couple of months ago in favor of a wireless hub (I guess I just did). I guess it depends on how you like your bread buttered. TH 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Originally posted by Tom Haymes: Has anyone tried a 3dfx Voodoo3? I found one used for $39 with 16 MB onboard. $39 - sound like a good deal? Thanks, TH Not sure. I have a vague recollection of Voodoo + CMBB not working, so I didnt recommend it. But I'm not sure. Would make a fine card otherwise, as long as there's no intention of moving to OSX. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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