Moral Boost before Attack on Russia?

[Lars]

Well kinda.

They're called diplomacy chits.

[SeaMonkey]

I'm in agreement that certain morale effects from surrendering countries is unrealistic.

I understand that this is an abstraction and the effect is a general code that causes this unrealistic effect from time to time.

To fix it, morale boosts should be left to scripts.

In that way they can be customized and will almost always return a realistic boost.

[R.J.]

Originally posted by Desert Dave:

And each with varying +/- %,

IE, for instance,

Take Palermo as Allies and it is worth ~ + 40-50 % morale boost for the Allies,

But, grabbing Tunis would merely result in +5 %pro Axis.

Why thank you sir; and by all means I'm happy to share credit, great minds thinking alike and all that.

Doubtless there will always be gameyness in a game, because... um, well I guess that's self-evident. But varying the effect of morale bonuses/penalties by nations, importance of cities etc. should cut it to a minimum in this case.

[ May 25, 2006, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: R.J. ]

[R.J.]

One other thought on morale.

Perhaps in some circumstances, making a DOW should affect morale.

For instance, the allies DOW'ing Ireland should cause a morale hit on Britain & the US, rather than waiting until they capture Dublin for the morale hit. Likewise, attacking most other European nations should adversely affect Brit & US morale. N. African, and middle eastern countries probably shouldn't (unless they UK attacks Iraq when they're 'friendly' – ie. over 30% and sending MPPs).

Obviously DOWs shouldn't affect German morale, with a few notable exceptions. Specifically, Sweden (while it's 'friendly'), Switzerland, as well as Spain and Vichy France. Given that Goebbels always blamed the war on other countries, and never just flatly stated "we want to rule the whole world, so tough", one can imagine that an attack on Switzerland or a trading partner like Sweden would strain the credulity of even the most trusting German. At any rate it might temper the cookie cutting thingy and be historically plausible at the same time.

[dicedtomato]

Hearts of Iron is a weird sim, but it handles the concept of national morale well. Nations have dissent levels, which rise for things like declaring war. As RJ points out, that makes better sense for the democracies than for Germany and Russia.

On the other hand, SC2 doesn't reflect the strains of a long war. By 1944, both Germany and Russia were scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel. The Germans had "stomach battalions" of men who could only eat white bread.

An easy way to model this would be to assign lower morale values to German and Russian reinforcements as of 1944.

DT

[Desert Dave]

Hearts of Iron is a weird sim...

That incredible MESSED up wreck & dreck,

AKA: HoI,

Would be something I would avoid

Like the next coming Plague.

Also, anything! to do with that

On the cheap-skating

And typical modern Con-Man rip-off,

So to "milk the market" merely, IE,

GG's WAW,

I would also utterly ignore

Then it comes time to examine

Other sources

For some fresh and "out of box" ideas.

IMHO.