mchlstrt Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 I'm doing a Mod of the T-26 series. I've seen at least four kinds of wheels in the pics I've found so far on the 'net, not to mention things like Rivets & 'No, no, that's the m42!!B!! shovel handle!!!". Does anybody know of a good Book, perhaps? I found a review of one from Armada (in Russian), but haven't been able to find where to get even that one. Any sources would be appreciated. Thanks strt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zukkov Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 just show them with a lot of flames coming out of the hull and turret and that should do it. oh you mean BEFORE they get toasted! a friend of mine has a book on russian armor of ww2. i'll ask him to check on the t26s for ya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchlstrt Posted October 20, 2002 Author Share Posted October 20, 2002 Bump & a Prayer. strt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 The russian battlefield has an article on the T-26 that should answer most of your questions: The T-26 Light Tank. Mind you the russians had a habit of just slapping new features on tanks as they become available (often at different times in different factories). The Armada series of books is very good (but I can't vouch for the T-26 book as I haven't seen it) but their russian publications are ..well in russian. They generaly have a half page english summary and the captions are translated, and that's all the info you get . [ October 20, 2002, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: Foxbat ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 If you go back to the main page of Foxbat's link, try the 'BLUEPRINTS' section. They have scale drawings for the T26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 There are a few T-26 pics and line drawings in Tim Bean and Will Fowler's Russian Tanks of World War II: Stalin's Armored Might. Probably not the level of detail you need for your project, but it's an interesting book, all told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchlstrt Posted October 22, 2002 Author Share Posted October 22, 2002 Thanks. The closer I look at the pics I have the more I think you're right in the 'slapped on' dept. Probably got Tanks out the door but makes it hard to sort out one model from another w/ a small sample. Does anyone know where I can find Armada books? Seems to be the only 'All T-26 All the Time' kinda book available. I'll just have to learn Russian. strt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by mchlstrt: Does anyone know where I can find Armada books? Seems to be the only 'All T-26 All the Time' kinda book available.Books International (www.books-international.co.uk/) carries it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Ahh a man after my own heart, starting with ancient history... Milsom J & Zaloga S, Russian Tanks Of World War 2 (Airfix magazine guide 22) 1977 Grandsen J & Zaloga S, Operation Barbarossa (Tanks Illustrated no 16)1985 Grandsen J and Zaloga S, The Eastern Front (Arnour camouflage and Markings 1941 to 1945)1983 Grandsen J and Zaloga S,Soviet Tanks and Combat Vehicles of World War Two 1984 There are many more, these just happened to be to hand whilst I was looking up some data on the T-26. If you have any special requests let me know and I will see what I can scan/send. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchlstrt Posted October 23, 2002 Author Share Posted October 23, 2002 Thanks for the help. I'm tracking down the armada book now. Wol, if I may hang on to your e-mail I might take you up on that when I get enough sorted out to know what I'm really missing (!Send Everything! doesn't seem quite fair). Are any of the Zaloga books particularly good for illustrating differences between Models? Also, if any of you are fairly familiar w/ this line perhaps you could do 'technical beta' for me as I get these done. This will not be in the next couple of minutes. Thanks again strt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Strt send me an email, no trouble Wol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Can any T-26 grogs advise me on the T-26E 'Ekranirovanniy' variant? I've been using some in an early war QB and quite like the little devils. What really intrigues me is all that extra front armour. I'm curious as to how it was fitted and how it looked. The original T-26 armour is 15mm but the extra 'bonus' armour is 35mm, a relatively massive improvement. I checked the above site and they have no note of an 'E' variant (I guess E is for Experimental?). Any info appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Ekranirovanniy roughly means "uparmored", because these dinky little tanks were found to be penetrable by all current ATGuns.. The late model T-26. Note new gunmask, plates on the turret sides (clearly visible on the right), and sloping front hull armour. The E version would have even more addon armour on the hull and turret sides. [ October 24, 2002, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Foxbat ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Great, thanks Foxbat. I assume that the E version just had extra plates laid flat on top of the originals. I don't suppose you have any idea how many were built? BTW they are doing very well in my game, but the Hungarians are using lot's of Toldi's with a 20mm gun which has no chance against the uber-T-26Es {Edit] I just realised that the T-26Es in my game look nothing like your picture above so I guess that this is another model type to be completed by BFC at a later date] [ October 24, 2002, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Rex_Bellator ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Originally posted by Rex_Bellator: Great, thanks Foxbat. I assume that the E version just had extra plates laid flat on top of the originals. I don't suppose you have any idea how many were built?I have no clue how many E's there were. As I understand it they were indeed late model T-26 with the addon armor just added on top of the existing armor (a la KV-1E) so they may very well have produced them at depot level. BTW they are doing very well in my game, but the Hungarians are using lot's of Toldi's with a 20mm gun which has no chance against the uber-T-26Es And they say these light tanks are useless {Edit] I just realised that the T-26Es in my game look nothing like your picture above so I guess that this is another model type to be completed by BFC at a later date]IIRC the T-26E isn't seperatly modeled, but the pic may also be a bit misleading because it was taken from such an odd angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Heh - my mistake - the model in the game is pretty good now I've looked again, you were right it was the angle of the photo that threw me. Thanks for all your input Foxbat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 I note that the T-26E has extra plates added to both turret and front hull and sides. I note also that There is a pic of an OT 134 with extra armour on front and sides of turret (at least, although this photo is poor, might have no extra hull armour). Another of an OT-133 clearly shows identical mounting bolts (and again, armour all round), as T-26E although different styles of applique on mantlet and 3 piece as opposed to one piece upper hull applique. Sources seem to disagree on T-26 m 37 & m39 hull & turret front base thickness, but all seem to agree that it was brought up to 50 mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Foxbat, That T-26s is an m37 with new conical turret but slab sided upper hull (as opposed to T-26s m39 - depending on whose nomenclature you use)which has the sloped hull armour as well. In any case it is not a T-26E. As far as I can tell , no T-26 m37s were equipped with applique, only the T-26s m39. The applique plates were fitted on massive bolts, fitted to the armour with round heads, about 14 on the upper hull plates alone. What you might being seeing are the vertical join lines in the welded turret construction (an inch or so wide) which make it look superficially as if the LH armour is protruding. Your vehicle also has the earlier welded turret mantlet, the later version was drop forged and was quite noticeably rounded along the edge, although I do think that some T-26 m39 had the earlier mantlet too (but the only evidence of this is on finnish vehicles, and they may just have swapped turrets). In the T-26E the mantlet was covered by applique again, mounted on large bolts. I will send some pics when I can get back to my scanner, but in the meantime here are some T-26m39 with early and late mantlets at Parola http://www.pp.htv.fi/jveijala/tankit/tank3.html cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Originally posted by Wol: Foxbat, That T-26s is an m37 with new conical turret but slab sided upper hull (as opposed to T-26s m39 - depending on whose nomenclature you use)which has the sloped hull armour as well.[macks forehead in frustration] It is, bloody annoying all this why couldn't they just settle for a few version, one with two turrets, one with a gun, one with extra armor :mad: What you might being seeing are the vertical join lines in the welded turret construction (an inch or so wide) which make it look superficially as if the LH armour is protruding.I thought this was a thin layer of armour on top of the actual turret bringing it up to ~20mm... Your vehicle also has the earlier welded turret mantlet, the later version was drop forged and was quite noticeably rounded along the edge, although I do think that some T-26 m39 had the earlier mantlet too (but the only evidence of this is on finnish vehicles, and they may just have swapped turrets).I'm sure that they just put whatever turrets they had on the chassis at hand, and mixing and matching of new and old features always seems common on soviet tanks so I don't doubt for a minute that such hybrids existed. I will send some pics when I can get back to my scanner, That would be great, I haven't been able to locate any good pics of the actual T-26E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 Great Wol, thanks from me for the additional info. I really look forward to the pictures if you can post them. [Edit: OMG one sentance and he can't even do that right ] [ October 25, 2002, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: Rex_Bellator ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchlstrt Posted October 27, 2002 Author Share Posted October 27, 2002 I just got an e-mail from Intrntnl Books saying 'Sorry, it turns out we don't actually have that Book', or something along those lines. So I'm still trying to find something for reference. I'm also bumping this thread up because it's helping a lot. Thanks strt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Originally posted by mchlstrt: I just got an e-mail from Intrntnl Books saying 'Sorry, it turns out we don't actually have that Book', or something along those lines. So I'm still trying to find something for reference. I'm also bumping this thread up because it's helping a lot. Thanks strtThat might be a blessing in disguise, Armada has been slowly re-issueing it's titels in english while letting stocks of russian version run dry. So possibly this means that the T-26 book will soon be available in english.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 I find that I cannot attach pictures, so have sent some pics Foxbat and umm some one lse whose name I cannot recall (sorry) If you wish for them you need to send me an email cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Originally posted by Wol: I find that I cannot attach pictures, so have sent some pics Foxbat Thanks for the pictures. I have some webspace so I can put them up [EDIT]Here they are: T-26E mod 39 (full size picture) Uparmoured OT-133 FT (full size picture) OT-134 with applique (full size picture) [ October 29, 2002, 05:12 AM: Message edited by: Foxbat ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Cheers Foxbat, As you can see, the T-26E are all quite different from the normally armoured T-26. i will send some pics I took at parola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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