MasterGoodale Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Unless I am wrong I realized after I finished it and looked at it in the game that CMBB uses the same BMP for Fox Holes and large craters. Is this true? I made a foxhole MOD but when I opened the game up every crater and foxhole used the MOD not just the foxholes. If somebody knows a way around this please let me know. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellros Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by MasterGoodale: Unless I am wrong I realized after I finished it and looked at it in the game that CMBB uses the same BMP for Fox Holes and large craters. Is this true? I made a foxhole MOD but when I opened the game up every crater and foxhole used the MOD not just the foxholes. If somebody knows a way around this please let me know. Thanks!That is correct. Same bmp, just as it did in CMBO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterGoodale Posted November 15, 2002 Author Share Posted November 15, 2002 AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterGoodale Posted November 15, 2002 Author Share Posted November 15, 2002 Does ANYONE have any ideas as to how to get around this?? The MOD looks really nice and I would really like to post it, but it doesn't make sense to pepper the map with sandbag ladden foxholes even when it should be a crater. Plus they have little belts of ammo in them as only a foxhole would (actually there are 3 versions, only one has MG belts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Bad news MG, there are three things certain in life. Death, taxes and a shared .bmp for foxholes and craters. At the moment I guess the third one is what upsets you most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by MasterGoodale: Unless I am wrong I realized after I finished it and looked at it in the game that CMBB uses the same BMP for Fox Holes and large craters. Is this true?Er, now that you mention it... Sorry I didn't remember this yesterday when the subject came up. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 For what it's worth, I don't think foxholes or slit trenches were vary often augmented with sandbags in any event - the main reason to have a fighting position other than the cover it provides is concealment - big blobs of tan coloured canvas sticking out from the natural vegetation unfortunately defeats the purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterGoodale Posted November 15, 2002 Author Share Posted November 15, 2002 This is true Mike D. I think I'll MOD the bunker actaully using the same sandbag graphics I created for the foxhole, and maybe the trenches. They look too nice to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: For what it's worth, I don't think foxholes or slit trenches were vary often augmented with sandbags in any event - the main reason to have a fighting position other than the cover it provides is concealment - big blobs of tan coloured canvas sticking out from the natural vegetation unfortunately defeats the purpose.That gets us back into how 'foxhole' is defined. If it is merely a hasty entrenchment, you are right. If it is intended to be something built over a period of more than an hour or two and—more importantly—intended for extended occupation, sandbags and other reinforcing materials (logs, boards, packed earth, even in some cases large rocks) were quite common. As for concealment, live and cut foliage, camouflage netting, etc. were widely used. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterGoodale Posted November 15, 2002 Author Share Posted November 15, 2002 I'll have to also add the elements ME speaks of. He's right. I guess it will be up to the person using the mod (maybe if they are creating a map) which version they use. I personally plan to see the foxholes as slightly fortified and concealed positions. I'll add some natural cammo and cover elements. except for the rocks - when I was going through PLDC (School for Army NCOs) my instructor was constantly yelling at us because we were determined to use large rocks as cover. A ROCK IS NOT COVER!!! :mad: he use to yell, stating that bullets often ricochet around and break pieces of the rock off causing more damage than protection. I'll never get it out of my head. But I may add some small ones that appear to have been dug up with the dirt. ots of good ideas thanks fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Can't you do that mod with trenches (apologies if that is a silly question)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterGoodale Posted November 15, 2002 Author Share Posted November 15, 2002 Yes, I plan to do it to trenches and bunkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterGoodale Posted November 15, 2002 Author Share Posted November 15, 2002 Even funnier is that if I had stayed with the foxhole mod every time you blasted the landscape with large artillery a fortified position would have popped up at the POI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by MasterGoodale: I'll add some natural cammo and cover elements. except for the rocks - when I was going through PLDC (School for Army NCOs) my instructor was constantly yelling at us because we were determined to use large rocks as cover. A ROCK IS NOT COVER!!! :mad: he use to yell, stating that bullets often ricochet around and break pieces of the rock off causing more damage than protection.He was right. Nevertheless, troops did use them. Especially by the time CM gets to North Africa, sangers of stacked rocks were the norm in many places where the soil was a thin layer overlaid on top of a solid rock basement. It would have been impossible to dig in without explosives (which was done occasionally as well), so to have any protection at all, the soldiers gathered the flat rocks lying around on the surface and stacked them into gun pits and infantry fighting positions if they didn't have sandbags. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by MasterGoodale: Yes, I plan to do it to trenches and bunkers.Do we have bunkers now? I haven't looked. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterGoodale Posted November 15, 2002 Author Share Posted November 15, 2002 Actaully, when I say bunkers I mean pillboxes sorry. We may have bunkers but I don't know either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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