gatpr Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 When playing a game of Spww2 recently I got a platoon of KV 57s. My question is of course was there any such vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 Are you shure they weren't SU-57s? They'd be the good-old White Half-Track with a 6pounder (57mm) gun protruding over the bonnet. It sounds like a positively awful design but I hear the Russians loved 'em and the Germans hated 'em. I PRAY they show up in CMBB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 like this from here http://www.clandavidsonusa.com/wac/modelphotos/russian/su-57/su-57.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatpr Posted February 15, 2002 Author Share Posted February 15, 2002 Could be, they brewed like halftracks when hit by 37mm. Thanks. I thought maybe it was a case of spare turrets, spare 57mms, and a great need for AFVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 Could the gun traverse, or was it locked into that groove in the windsheild? From the side aspect you can see the barrel clamp, which leads me to believe that the model is shown in travelling configuration. Still ... that groove seems fairly limiting. Regards JonS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 Its in travel configuration. The windscreen could be folded flat but you also have to see that the gun is at near maximum depression for it to be placed in the slot and clamped. It had limited traverse but I'm not sure how much. The British were also supplied with large numbers of this vehicle but converted most of them back to standard or specialised half-tracks, according to Chamberlain and Ellis, if my memory serves me correctly. Interestingly, the Israelis produced their own version, which was very similar and which mounted the same long 75mm medium-pressure gun as some versions of the AMX-13 and the M51 Isherman. It was used in the 1956 War quite successfully, apparently. Whats even more interesting is that, that gun, was directly based on the L/70 of the Panther. Rather ironic, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 Hunnicutt's excellent Half-Track book has 5-view scale plans of the beast. The Windshield folded flat and the driver had to scrunch down as low as possible in his seat, awfully close to the muzzle end. He couldn't leave his post because if the target passes outside the gun's traverse range the driver has to shift the vehicle to bring the gun back on line. I'd hate to be the driver. aka_Tom, have you submitted photos of that SU-57 model to BTS's CMBB model contest yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 Originally posted by MikeyD: Hunnicutt's excellent Half-Track book has 5-view scale plans of the beast. The Windshield folded flat and the driver had to scrunch down as low as possible in his seat, awfully close to the muzzle end. He couldn't leave his post because if the target passes outside the gun's traverse range the driver has to shift the vehicle to bring the gun back on line. I'd hate to be the driver. aka_Tom, have you submitted photos of that SU-57 model to BTS's CMBB model contest yet?Sorry its not my model I found it here: http://www.clandavidsonusa.com/wac/modelphotos/russian/su-57/su-57.htm after a BRIEF internet search to see what it looked like.... I found someone else's model I think the original modeler was: by Jamie Olson (He says:) "Basic kit was a Tamiya and Italeria and a lot of scratch building." Sorry I can't enter one I did not build I did quote the web page for the source of the images in the first post. -tom w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 Okay. If it's not YOUR model let me say... - The armored windscreen is all wrong! - The side hull bolt pattern is all wrong! - The model mounts the short Brit gun instead of the long tapered U.S. gun! Still, I'd love to see one appear in CMBB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatpr Posted February 16, 2002 Author Share Posted February 16, 2002 I looked at the photo in the encyclopedia, and the description was TD, but the vehicle was turreted and looked like an undergunned KV. My references on Soviet armor are thin, but I'd never heard of a Kv sporting a 57. But the 57 was a fairly useful ATG. The source stated it was used in 1943-44. Please help my curiosity is piqued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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